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Super Ultimate 3rd Brake Light Build

Discussion in '3rd Gen. Tacomas (2016+)' started by MESO, Nov 30, 2017.

  1. Nov 12, 2019 at 2:43 AM
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    Caboose117

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    smashed this, broke that, covered it up with tape and paint
    I suggested using the same ground as the sunroof or power window If you have one. Or you could go to any location of a large enough existing bolt

    the idea is you want a good ground
    Not just any ground
    So you want thicker metal
    You want direct metal on metal contact
    And you want the bolt to be solid as well

    so maybe look at your cab personally and decide what fits your vehicle best

    just don’t ground on the same ground as the antenna
     
  2. Nov 12, 2019 at 10:27 AM
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    After having added an additional ground and using it for several weeks now, I can say that the issue is better but the fob/door handle still occasionally has issues.
     
  3. Nov 12, 2019 at 5:21 PM
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    I’ve had an email with Baja Designs and the frequency the LEDs run at is 300Hz, according to anything I can find on the net, the keyfob is 433MHz. So that’s not adding up. I’ve ordered some ferrite coils of type 61 that may reduce noise for the 433MHz range, but now I have doubts that will work. If I get time I’ll pull out some equipment I have to measure any noise / frequency given off by the LEDs and see what that comes back with.
    At present I’m not using factory wire for positive, but I have combined a better negative to the factory wire, I’ll disconnect the factory wires completely in my next tests, since all the brake / cargo light wires are run in the same loom as the keyfob receiver wires. I just want to have a bunch of options ready to try before pulling it all apart again.
    BTW, my keyfob range is ok(ish), kinda hit n miss, but touch lock barley works, maybe 1 in 10 times.
    Keyfob range was fine when I had it all apart, and only seem to go bad once I buttoned everything up, so the very close proximity to the keyfob receiver probably has a lot to do with the interference.
     
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  4. Nov 12, 2019 at 7:13 PM
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    I'm having the key fob issues as well. BD4 Cam here. Issues arose immediately after install and have persisted for the past few months. I havent had a chance to pull everything apart and troubleshoot, but there seems to be an issue somewhere along the line.
     
  5. Nov 12, 2019 at 7:26 PM
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    Appreciate your detective work over there. Keep us posted with any results. I sure hope we can get to the bottom of this. The most irritating thing of all, is my door sensor is essentially inop. To compound the issue, I can stand directly adjacent to the drivers door, and hit the key fob unlock button 5 or 6 times before anything will happen. There has been times where it took 30 seconds or so just to get the truck unlocked :annoyed:
     
  6. Nov 12, 2019 at 7:28 PM
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    i wonder if any of the MT trucks have installed one of these lights and gotten fob connection issues... anyone by chance?

    I've been overhauling my garage shop getting ready to wire these in. the lights are ready and i have 10ga braided for a new ground to the chassis. but maybe I'll still have issues?
     
  7. Nov 12, 2019 at 8:56 PM
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    CttAznRanger

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    @mutely I asked my pops about any ideas. He said maybe it's a load issue, where the truck is being confused with a different load than expected. This might be something worth looking into.
     
  8. Nov 12, 2019 at 9:03 PM
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    MESO

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    I appreciate the collective troubleshooting for this! I wasn't aware until a few people mentioned it. So odd, as it seems hit and miss. Almost like each truck has a mind of it's own.

    in other news, my Plug and play connectors are done and molded!

    IMG_2235.jpg
    IMG_2236.jpg
     
  9. Nov 12, 2019 at 9:37 PM
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    Very nice. I should have waited before I snipped those wires.....:annoyed:
     
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  10. Nov 13, 2019 at 4:38 AM
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    smashed this, broke that, covered it up with tape and paint

    Like you and I discussed before
    Adding a better ground to the BD brake light is honestly all that’s needed.

    Keeping all the wiring setup exactly how it is and then adding a secondary ground would be best but everyone’s various levels of lazy is what will decide what they do.


    This problem is not a problem
    It has been solved
    And the remedy has been used and proven in the other thread.

    I am seriously not getting how this is still a conversation in this thread... do we need to sticky it in the original post???


    These people telling us from their own repairs that better grounding works, as for the level of grounding done by each individual, The gage of wire and quality of grounding location, as well as cleaning the paint or other contaminants away from the grounding location are going to be important.

    y’all wanna really truly and completely solve the problem?

    I gotchu

    pull your light
    Attach a new ground cable to your bundle.
    Run dat bishhh down the back wall along the pillar
    Down to the floor and through one of the rubber grommets in the floor for drainage and then run the wire directly to the frame of the truck
    Then attach that bish with a nice sexy fat assss bolt or whatever fastener you like best.
    As someone who has an absolute ass load of Baja designs lights all over my damn truck
    If this was solely and RF interference then all the light bars on my truck would cause massive problems as I have (3) 30” bars
    (4) squadron pros
    (4) S2 pros
    And (8) rock lights under the truck as well as the (5) in the 3rd brake light
    As well as (4) more rock lights inside the cab under the dash and back seats for floor lighting

    LITERALLY none of them cause any problems with my key fob or my doors

    Because I took my time
    And grounded everything
    Additionally
    There is a difference in automotive wiring when it comes to grounding to the battery or to the frame as well as grounding to thin/thick sheet metal or to thick plate steel like the frame.



    also
    I’m not telling you guys to pull the light back off the truck from the outside

    just pull your clothing hooks your grab handles and your plastic pillar covers just enough to give you space to lower the BACK only of the headliner

    it’s really not that hard
    Takes around 10 minute with hand tools/trim tools


    @MESO my bad on the giant rant haha

    glad you’re back from sema safe and sound!!
     
  11. Nov 13, 2019 at 8:50 AM
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    score!
     
  12. Nov 13, 2019 at 9:12 AM
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    Wish we had a window for when these connectors go on sale so I can start or schedule my MESO 3rd brake light install.
     
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  13. Nov 13, 2019 at 9:42 AM
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    Worth the wait.
     
  14. Nov 13, 2019 at 10:31 AM
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    I've done this and it did not completely solve the issue.

    The additional ground seemed to help with the frequency with which this issue happens but this issue still happens.
     
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  15. Nov 13, 2019 at 10:32 AM
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    I'm okay with the wait- I would just like to plan when I can move forward with the install.
     
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    Just ignore that post. It’s not helping solve the issue. Looking at other posts, it seems 2 or 3 have tried the extra ground, 2 reported back it didn’t completely fix the issue.
     
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    smashed this, broke that, covered it up with tape and paint
    Or
    You could read the rest of what I said

    I have a long background in electrical SPECIFICALLY IN RADIOS and satellites for the military


    For those of you having this problem

    try a bench test

    take your brake light
    Power it
    Then go hold a radio next to it
    Or maybe even your phone

    see how much interference you get
    Measure at what distance it happens
    And what distance it goes away or worsens.

    better question for SOME of the people here

    do you really need your cargo light set to ON/DOOR settings?

    Or could a little alteration to your lifestyle completely resolve the issue and only use the cargo light when you are directly in use of it.

    additonally
    Those of you with issues
    What fob case do you have? OEM or aftermarket
    If aftermarket which one specifically? It may be a common issue when combined with the BD5 issue
    further again
    What’s on your key chain with your fob?
    Do you keep your fob near your phone?
    Have you checked the ground for your antenna to make sure it’s fully tightened?

    have you checked your issue against both of your fobs? New batteries inside them?


    You guys get what I’m saying?

    I am hearing a lot of individuals who aren’t trying anything and are just stating they have the problem

    Issue there is for troubleshooting
    Error with no data is hard to solve
    Worse over a computer or phone call

    none of us know how well you did or didn’t do on your install and what time or effort you did or didn’t take to do it correctly.

    You have to look at the date we have

    person X = mine works no issues
    Person Y = mine has issues (severe)
    Person Z = mine has Issues (minor)

    until the ones with issues go into more detail on what they have done to fix it or show us their install ect ect
    It’s hard to solve their truck specifically like @MESO stated

    But I can tell you one thing
    Complaining about it inside his sale thread where people come to look for the drop on new inventory and ect

    when we already have a “problem” thread for this issue is a bit unfair to the people without issue and those looking for info on restock.


    But I will tell you what
    Any of you dudes in SoCal willing to drive

    shoot me a DM on IG and bring your truck over
    I’ll help you trouble shoot the issue
    Or you can hand me 50$ and I’ll figure it out for you


    The information I see in direction of solving the issue tells me this so far

    hey man add a ground
    I did, it helped but not entirely
    How big is your ground wire and post?
    It’s X
    Let’s bump it up to XL
    id say some of you are overlooking that
    1 wire that is let’s say 20 gage by itself can use an equal or sometimes smaller gage ground
    But when you bundle 5 20 gage wires together you increase the load/the heat/ and the potential combined RF.
    Now that doesn’t directly tell you that you HAVE TO use a fat ass ground

    but
    I bet it does a lot more than a small one

    I’m done posting on the matter
    Sorry to bother you all with my RANT
     
  18. Nov 13, 2019 at 9:38 PM
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    You got a link to that troubleshoot thread?
     
  19. Nov 13, 2019 at 10:52 PM
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  20. Nov 15, 2019 at 2:34 AM
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    :annoyed: The other day I noticed one of my brake lights on my bd 4 flickering , doubt it’s going out , maybe loose connection but it is tied into the one next to it, never ending Not to mention have a small leak :(
     

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