1. Welcome to Tacoma World!

    You are currently viewing as a guest! To get full-access, you need to register for a FREE account.

    As a registered member, you’ll be able to:
    • Participate in all Tacoma discussion topics
    • Communicate privately with other Tacoma owners from around the world
    • Post your own photos in our Members Gallery
    • Access all special features of the site

Taco lean causing uneven tire wear????

Discussion in 'Suspension' started by mick478, Feb 17, 2012.

  1. Feb 17, 2012 at 8:04 AM
    #1
    mick478

    mick478 [OP] He is The STig

    Joined:
    Jul 13, 2009
    Member:
    #19654
    Messages:
    512
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    Bott
    Stockton, CACA
    Vehicle:
    2011 White TRD Sport, 4x4 doublemint cab
    Ome 885 coils Ome n9000 front shocks Ome n182 rear shocks K&n drop in filter Duratracs Kenwood kac 90210d Kicker 12" Alpine 800 watt 4 channel Pioneer 430w 6x9 Firestone ride rite air springs
    Ok I started with a 09 ac, 4cyl 4x4, brand new. Put ome 885 springs and shocks, driver side 5mm spacer under sprig seat, and some duratracks on stock rims. Well my towing needs CHanged and I found a deal on a 2011 double cab sport, with 8000 miles. not wanting to throw away all my hard earned money I swapped tires, lift and air bags, but not tsb springs. Now when I went to get it aligned, the shop said they maxed out the dr side and couldn't get close to factory specs, and it was pulling to the right. I told them I had no problems with the exact same lift and truck before, so I'm thinking bent frame, or shotty craftsmanship from Mexico, my ac was built in Fremont. So now 8000 miles later, my front left inner tire is very worn, while my pass side looks ok. My duratracs look brand new after 25000 miles on my ac and now I'm thinking I may have to replace in another 15-20000. Not bad for an aggressive tire but I can't stand not knowing what's going on. The lean is very noticeable, like 1-1.5" and the rear as well. So my truck frame was either racked by previous owner Or not built right but I want to at least try and fix it a little bit. So finally, if I put the stock sport suspension back on and lowered the front will that help? Maybe if I add a spacer to the dr side, or take it to a frame shop. Either way I look at it I'm probably gonna spend at least 500-1000 trying to figure this out. Any help suggestions would be awesome, I already know about the taco lean but this seems excessive, after I get home tonight I will get you exact measurements and pics. Thanks guys
     
  2. Feb 17, 2012 at 8:06 AM
    #2
    RI Tacoma

    RI Tacoma Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 24, 2011
    Member:
    #51797
    Messages:
    1,414
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    Tim
    Phx sometime soon
    Vehicle:
    2011 Sport DCLB
    OME 885's, Derped FJ TRD Wheels, Hankook Dynapro's ATM 265/75/16's, Retro's, WeatherTech Liners, Fog Light Mod, Bak Flip F-1, N-Fab Steps, 20% Tint, complete stereo, heated mirrors, Katzkin seats!!
    I could be wrong, but I would think new UCA and an alignment would be your best bet, at least this way you can get the alignment back in spec.

    That does seem like more than normal lean, but not sure if it would cause tire wear.
     
  3. Feb 17, 2012 at 8:07 AM
    #3
    04LTtacoma

    04LTtacoma Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 15, 2010
    Member:
    #37190
    Messages:
    11,138
    Gender:
    Male
    Vehicle:
    2004 SR5 TRD tacoma
    Camburg LT
    I would constantly rotate the tires every oil change.


    My camber was way off at one time. The two tires up front were worn down on the inner side of the tire instead of the outer side. Every time I went to the shop to get an oil change I had them rotate the tires from front to back.
     
  4. Feb 17, 2012 at 8:16 AM
    #4
    Zac808

    Zac808 Custom User Title

    Joined:
    Aug 31, 2009
    Member:
    #22040
    Messages:
    2,816
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    Zac
    Viva Las Vegas
    Vehicle:
    08 TRD DC SB 4x4
    In my sig
    Sounds like u need UCA's.

    What is the actual difference from center of wheel to fender on each side?
     
  5. Feb 17, 2012 at 10:58 AM
    #5
    mick478

    mick478 [OP] He is The STig

    Joined:
    Jul 13, 2009
    Member:
    #19654
    Messages:
    512
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    Bott
    Stockton, CACA
    Vehicle:
    2011 White TRD Sport, 4x4 doublemint cab
    Ome 885 coils Ome n9000 front shocks Ome n182 rear shocks K&n drop in filter Duratracs Kenwood kac 90210d Kicker 12" Alpine 800 watt 4 channel Pioneer 430w 6x9 Firestone ride rite air springs
    One thing I really regret when I bought it was not checking the alinement pins, I have nothing to compare my measurements to now. I'll get exact measurements tonight.
     
  6. Feb 17, 2012 at 11:27 AM
    #6
    skytower

    skytower Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 7, 2010
    Member:
    #38505
    Messages:
    3,228
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    Dave
    virginia
    Vehicle:
    08 Tacoma 4x4
    Hitch and wiring, aux back-up light, rear strobe lights, radio and underseat sub.
    I just put an OME lift on my regular cab. Never had any lean then or now. 3 1/2" in the front, and 4 3/8" in the rear. My toe was out and corrected with an alignment. You have issues. Something in the suspension is bent either from a wreck, poor driving, or pot holes. It is also possible that you alignment shop missed a loose tie rod, bearing, or control arm(not likely considering the milage).
     
  7. Feb 17, 2012 at 5:20 PM
    #7
    mick478

    mick478 [OP] He is The STig

    Joined:
    Jul 13, 2009
    Member:
    #19654
    Messages:
    512
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    Bott
    Stockton, CACA
    Vehicle:
    2011 White TRD Sport, 4x4 doublemint cab
    Ome 885 coils Ome n9000 front shocks Ome n182 rear shocks K&n drop in filter Duratracs Kenwood kac 90210d Kicker 12" Alpine 800 watt 4 channel Pioneer 430w 6x9 Firestone ride rite air springs
    Just got home, measured the from to the center of the hubs, dr side is 21.5, pass is 22.5, so not as bad as i had made it sound. The rear with air bags empty 37 pass side and 36 dr side, all this with a half tank of gas. Uca's were my first thought, guess that would fix the problem. And I checked the alinement pins, dr side is maxed out pushing the lca out, pass is almost maxed pulling the lca in. I am with you sky tower, that's all I needed done to my 09 was toe adjustment. I figured the same when I took the new one in. O well, anyone know of a good alinement shop near Hollister? Maybe even south bay? I want one with those guys who have been working there for 30 yrs and doesn't need a machine to tell them what to do, all they use is an alinement tool and a tape measure. I dunno, just my figurin.....
     
  8. Feb 17, 2012 at 5:33 PM
    #8
    skytower

    skytower Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 7, 2010
    Member:
    #38505
    Messages:
    3,228
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    Dave
    virginia
    Vehicle:
    08 Tacoma 4x4
    Hitch and wiring, aux back-up light, rear strobe lights, radio and underseat sub.
    The newer optical alignment systems, Hunter for one, are more accurate than measuring. Measuring will give you rough toe numbers only. Camber, caster, toe, and the other measurements and angles are done quickly with the hunter machine. They won't tell you what is wrong though. That takes a good tech.
    Go to someone who specializes in trucks.
    The fact that the Camber adjustments are maxed in different directions tells me something is wrong/bent. If the lift was the problem, the Camber would be maxed to push the top of the tire out.
    Check the carfax to see if it was in an accident. I would put money on it was.
     
  9. Feb 17, 2012 at 5:41 PM
    #9
    mick478

    mick478 [OP] He is The STig

    Joined:
    Jul 13, 2009
    Member:
    #19654
    Messages:
    512
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    Bott
    Stockton, CACA
    Vehicle:
    2011 White TRD Sport, 4x4 doublemint cab
    Ome 885 coils Ome n9000 front shocks Ome n182 rear shocks K&n drop in filter Duratracs Kenwood kac 90210d Kicker 12" Alpine 800 watt 4 channel Pioneer 430w 6x9 Firestone ride rite air springs
    Yeah that tech is what I'm hoping, wishing for, the last tech was like somethings wrong, and i cant get it into alignment, i ask why not, he says probably something with the suspension. I ask him again, like what, he says iono, something is wrong with your truck... No shit.... I'm pretty good at watching out for cars that have been in accidents, I can easily notice paint color differences, body gaps, and I thoroughly checked under the car (except alignment pins) before buying, had all of the vin stickies, nothing suspicious, also clean carfax....
     
  10. Feb 17, 2012 at 5:44 PM
    #10
    mick478

    mick478 [OP] He is The STig

    Joined:
    Jul 13, 2009
    Member:
    #19654
    Messages:
    512
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    Bott
    Stockton, CACA
    Vehicle:
    2011 White TRD Sport, 4x4 doublemint cab
    Ome 885 coils Ome n9000 front shocks Ome n182 rear shocks K&n drop in filter Duratracs Kenwood kac 90210d Kicker 12" Alpine 800 watt 4 channel Pioneer 430w 6x9 Firestone ride rite air springs
    Yeah but I'm just trying to figure out my truck's alignment problem first, then maybe we can dig into my problems.... Chi
     
  11. Feb 17, 2012 at 6:03 PM
    #11
    battlescars

    battlescars Professionull1

    Joined:
    Jan 5, 2009
    Member:
    #12256
    Messages:
    2,889
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    Alex
    Escondido, CA
    Vehicle:
    2003 5-lug Prerunner
    Couple shocks, some old tires, and a bad paint job
    I didn't want to read any of your story, but when it comes to alignment, the TOE is going to hurt the tires more than anything.

    Sorry but have to be a jerk; tires are still round, whatever angle your truck sits.
     
  12. Feb 17, 2012 at 7:04 PM
    #12
    skytower

    skytower Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 7, 2010
    Member:
    #38505
    Messages:
    3,228
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    Dave
    virginia
    Vehicle:
    08 Tacoma 4x4
    Hitch and wiring, aux back-up light, rear strobe lights, radio and underseat sub.
    You can screw up the suspension by slamming a curb sideways.
     
  13. Feb 17, 2012 at 7:25 PM
    #13
    mick478

    mick478 [OP] He is The STig

    Joined:
    Jul 13, 2009
    Member:
    #19654
    Messages:
    512
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    Bott
    Stockton, CACA
    Vehicle:
    2011 White TRD Sport, 4x4 doublemint cab
    Ome 885 coils Ome n9000 front shocks Ome n182 rear shocks K&n drop in filter Duratracs Kenwood kac 90210d Kicker 12" Alpine 800 watt 4 channel Pioneer 430w 6x9 Firestone ride rite air springs
    To lift a truck using most of stock components, Ucas, lcas, Knuckle, different struts; basically your are throwing everything to the max of what they should run, therefore camber with a lifted ifs truck does cause a lot of problems... If you did read, you would see that I'm only having a problem with one side, toe would actually even out the tire wear, basically you would turn the steering wheel to correct the effects of a toe that is adjusted incorrectly and even tire wear between both sides would Likely happen, not one side. Not being a jerk, but I appreciate your time to read.... Anyone else?
     
  14. Feb 17, 2012 at 7:28 PM
    #14
    mick478

    mick478 [OP] He is The STig

    Joined:
    Jul 13, 2009
    Member:
    #19654
    Messages:
    512
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    Bott
    Stockton, CACA
    Vehicle:
    2011 White TRD Sport, 4x4 doublemint cab
    Ome 885 coils Ome n9000 front shocks Ome n182 rear shocks K&n drop in filter Duratracs Kenwood kac 90210d Kicker 12" Alpine 800 watt 4 channel Pioneer 430w 6x9 Firestone ride rite air springs
    Thought of that, definitely a possibility, but it didn't happen when I had it... Literally had the lift swapped and alined 2 days after receiving it, there again frame could just be racked...
     
  15. Feb 18, 2012 at 6:01 PM
    #15
    MonkeyChief

    MonkeyChief Mr. Magoo

    Joined:
    Dec 20, 2011
    Member:
    #69116
    Messages:
    177
    First Name:
    Citizen #1839-7634-001
    In the desert, by the beach, under the mountains
    Vehicle:
    2012, DCSB, 4x4, TRD Sport (for the skewp)
    884, OME shocks 4 corners, no badges / decals
    I would take it to a suspension shop that does alignments and see if they come back with the same comments.
     
  16. Feb 21, 2012 at 7:31 PM
    #16
    mick478

    mick478 [OP] He is The STig

    Joined:
    Jul 13, 2009
    Member:
    #19654
    Messages:
    512
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    Bott
    Stockton, CACA
    Vehicle:
    2011 White TRD Sport, 4x4 doublemint cab
    Ome 885 coils Ome n9000 front shocks Ome n182 rear shocks K&n drop in filter Duratracs Kenwood kac 90210d Kicker 12" Alpine 800 watt 4 channel Pioneer 430w 6x9 Firestone ride rite air springs
    Wow, what a complete overreaction...., I went to another shop, one whose owner had 15 yrs of suspension only work before he bought a Midas, and aligned it no problem. 70 bucks wasted at the other shop but all is within spec now (except caster due to stock ucas and slight lift, but within reason).
     
  17. Feb 22, 2012 at 4:40 AM
    #17
    skytower

    skytower Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 7, 2010
    Member:
    #38505
    Messages:
    3,228
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    Dave
    virginia
    Vehicle:
    08 Tacoma 4x4
    Hitch and wiring, aux back-up light, rear strobe lights, radio and underseat sub.
    Good to hear!
     
To Top