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Discussion in '2nd Gen. Tacomas (2005-2015)' started by Phantom_X-SP, Mar 2, 2010.

  1. Mar 2, 2010 at 10:13 AM

    Phantom_X-SP [OP] Rude Boy |><|

    Jan 29, 2009
    High Point, NC
    08 DC Black Sand Pearl X-SP
    Lawmakers focus on Tacoma complaints

    NHTSA records suggest unintended acceleration cases were more than 'minor drivability issues'

    NHTSA received 71 Tacoma accident reports involving 17 injuries.

    When lawmakers question Toyota President Akio Toyoda and other Toyota Motor Corp. executives this week, they will be honing in on how the automaker handled the high number of safety-related complaints about its Tacoma pickup truck.

    In 2008, Toyota said hundreds of unintended-acceleration complaints about the Tacoma reflected "minor drivability issues and are not indicative of a safety-related defect." ​

    The automaker reaffirmed that position this month to congressional investigators, despite a record of accidents and injuries. ​

    "After three years, hundreds of complaints and several massive recalls, I still don't think we've gotten all the answers" about the Tacoma, Rep. Bart Gordon, D-Tenn., said in an e-mail to Automotive News last week.​

    Gordon is a member of the House Energy and Commerce Committee, which will question Jim Lentz, Toyota Motor Sales U.S.A. president, on Tuesday, Feb. 23. ​

    The chairman of the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee, Rep. Ed Towns, D-N.Y., sent a letter this month asking Yoshimi Inaba, Toyota's North America president, to explain "the seemingly high number of complaints" about the Tacoma. ​

    The oversight panel is preparing to question Toyoda and Inaba on Wednesday, Feb. 24.​

    514 complaints

    [​IMG] Rep. Bart Gordon, D-Tenn.: "I still don't think we've gotten all the answers."​

    An Automotive News review has found that at the time of a 2008 National Highway Traffic Safety Administration investigation of the Tacoma, there had been 514 complaints and legal claims about the truck's speed control, the term the agency uses for unintended acceleration.​

    Of these, at least 71 involved accidents that resulted in 17 injuries, according to Toyota's own data provided to NHTSA. ​

    Since the federal agency closed its investigation of the 2006-07 Tacomas without action, 49 additional complaints have been filed with NHTSA alleging 17 crashes and four injuries. ​

    "Toyota's responses were disingenuous and less than forthright," said Sean Kane, president of the Safety Research & Strategies consulting firm, who is scheduled to testify before the House Oversight Committee on Feb. 24. "They made it a semantics issue." ​

    The 2006 Tacoma has been the subject of more consumer complaints of unintended acceleration than any other Toyota model, followed by the 2005 Tacoma, according to a Feb. 5 Safety Research study. ​

    "Toyota takes all customer concerns seriously," Toyota spokesman Brian Lyons said in an e-mail. "That's why we are taking steps to implement more stringent quality controls, investigate customer complaints more aggressively, keep open lines of communication with safety agencies and respond more quickly to safety issues we identify." ​

    Most consumers who filed complaints reported that the Tacoma suddenly accelerated when it was stopped or when they were driving at low speed while parking or approaching a stop sign or traffic light. A number of people said they had no floor mat or that it was tied down. ​

    In one report to NHTSA, the consumer said his truck took off while he was stopped at a gate waiting for it to open. ​

    "The gate was totaled from my truck," the consumer wrote. "When I hit the brake, it went faster ... I was not even driving and it took off on its own!" ​

    Another consumer said that while slowing for a traffic light, the truck surged. "I was broadsided by a delivery truck and thrown across the intersection, shearing off the pole supporting same traffic light," the consumer wrote. "My vehicle was totaled."​

    Another person said his Tacoma accelerated after he tapped the brakes while driving out of Nashville in the rain. ​

    The truck hydroplaned, drove into an embankment, rolled several times, went airborne and landed on its roof, and rolled a few more times. The driver was hospitalized. ​

    In response to a query from the panel, Toyota said this month it would reopen its earlier review of Tacoma complaints. ​

    "We will re-examine those complaints as part of the top-to-bottom review of quality and safety that we have committed to undertaking," Lyons said. ​

    In October, Toyota recalled the 2005-10 Tacoma, among other models, for potential floor-mat entrapment of the accelerator. The model was not in the January recall for sticky pedals because it does not use a pedal system made by CTS Corp. ​

    Most complaints blamed the electronic throttle control system, according to NHTSA records. ​

    "I believe that this issue is more complex than is being stated," one complainant said last August. "Floor mat is not the problem. It is so tightly secured to the floor by the factory connectors that it is, and has always been, a major pain to remove for cleaning." ​

    Toyota introduced a new electronic throttle control system in its 2005 Tacoma. The company said its 2008 review found no "vehicle-based cause" for the complaints. Toyota consistently has maintained that unintended acceleration is not associated with electronic interference. ​

    NHTSA closed its 2008 investigation after finding that "the information suggesting a possible defect related to motor vehicle safety is quite limited." ​

    In a letter this month to NHTSA, Rep. Gordon expressed disappointment with the 2008 agency investigation. ​

    NHTSA "underestimated the severity of the problem" by conducting "a cursory investigation," he wrote. ​

    Gordon asked the agency to reopen its Tacoma investigation. NHTSA has not responded.​

  2. Mar 3, 2010 at 12:22 PM

    mr2crazed Well-Known Member

    May 21, 2009
    Morro Bay, CA.
    06 DC PreRunner SR5
    I know from first hand experience that my truck surges forward whenever the AC compressor is running and I'm stopped. Whether the defrost is on or just AC. I've never had a vehicle lunge forward like this when the compressor kicks in, just see/feel the engine revs. are higher.

    I still suspect it must have something to do with the drive-by-wire system. I've never really cared for it from the first place, feels artificial.
  3. Mar 3, 2010 at 12:35 PM

    Dan893 Well-Known Member

    Feb 5, 2010
    First Name:
    09 SR5 doublecab longbed
    TRD cold air intake, 6k HID headlights, 3K HID foglights, custom sockmonkey decals
    IMO the lurch forward when at a stop is normal my 97 silverado does it to sometimes Im pretty sure it's just the trans going back into 1st also every vehicle I've been I'm surges when the ac pump kicks on this is normal as your putting more of a load on the motor so it's compensating I think people are being paranoid at this point.
  4. Mar 3, 2010 at 12:39 PM

    macgyver Well-Known Member

    Aug 14, 2009
    First Name:
    Canton, GA
    '13 Tundra double cab SR5 4x4
    this stuff is getting ridiculous. people are retarded.
  5. Mar 3, 2010 at 1:59 PM

    Shades_Of_Red Well-Known Member

    May 2, 2009
    Pittsburgh, PA
    09 Tacoma TRD Sport AC
    Big difference between that surge and the supposed unintented accleration some people are claiming.

    I had the surging while stopped like your experiencing way back on my 96 Tacoma. Haven't noticed it on my 09.
  6. Mar 3, 2010 at 2:40 PM

    jamfred774 Member

    Nov 16, 2009
    First Name:
    Denver CO
    05 Tacoma SR5 4wd
    4wd Illumination, Sockmonkey Bedside Decals, Extra Bed D Rings, Diff Breather Mod
    I love my truck and do not like to complain but the TSBs have got to go. Recall this crap and fix the trucks. Many people have no idea about the TSBs until they are out of warranty and out of luck.
  7. Mar 3, 2010 at 2:45 PM

    surfrat Well-Known Member

    Feb 18, 2010
    LI, NY
    icon coilover, total chaos UCA, allpr expo, icon 2.0 rear,wet okole
    the Fj does the foward lurch also...govt is getting on toyota so consumers get scared and buy domestic vehicles to boost out shitty economy...checks and balances at its finest..stupid bullshit...toyota for life....
  8. Mar 3, 2010 at 3:19 PM

    coffeesnob Well-Known Member

    Feb 7, 2010
    2010 access 4 cyl 2 wd
    My 2010 didn't come with any floor mats when I bought it a few weeks back.dealer said the "new and improved" are on order has anyone received theirs yet?
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