Tacoma With Diesel Engine Petition - New Version With "No Diesel" Option.

Diesel works in the midwest in terms of filling up. And I never had an issue when I was stationed in Monterrey with my buddies diesel truck...

Gas engines prevailed where and how exactly? If you go overseas you see diesel vehicles everywhere, and anything that needs to haul stuff or generate power uses diesel. From a thermodynamics stand point, they can make a lot more power (albeit at a lower overall efficiency).

Emissions wise they produce more particulates and NOX but less Carbon emissions, pick your poison. The thing that really interests me is biodiesel. While getting my undergrad we were studying the viability of algae as a form of diesel...

 

Diesel here in colorado isn't much more than gas. I would gladly pay an extra 5 bucks on fill-up to get an extra 5-10mpg improvement in fuel economy...

 

The pole doesn't lie. It seems those against it are in the minority

 

You do know that there isn't much price difference between gas and diesel in most places? Diesel may be a few cents cheaper, but not enough to warrant driving a diesel engine if gas was so superior...

Don't get me wrong, I love my gas engines, but I can see the appeal of a diesel engine as well.

 

Maybe you should re-write that, I'm not entirely sure what you are trying to convey.

Gas and diesel prices are close to each other. Yes gas prices overseas are expensive, but so are diesel (compared to the states that is). But diesels are more in demand because they get much better gas mileage.

Unlike yourself, I have made logical arguments, I'm still waiting for yours. If you want to talk about the thermodynamics of it, I can dig out my thermodynamics of engines book from when I was getting my undergrad. If you want to talk about how they run, I can tell you about my experiences overseas.

And if you haven't noticed, I love gas engines (my mustang runs 11s, my subaru runs 12s, and I have a V8 jeep that I built myself)... Keep telling yourself that I am just in love with diesel, I think you just don't know what you are talking about in this area.

 

Don't mind Whipper. He is our resident pessimist, and thinks that anybody who wants a diesel jerks of to it constantly. He is to overwhelmed by the idiots in Kalifornia that like to "roll coal", have stacks, and basically act like retards. He doesn't understand that's not what most people want out of a 4cyl diesel that makes 180hp

 

lol

 

Maybe you're a gas fapper?
If someone came up to you and said "for 5k more you can buy a diesel tacoma that instead of the 18mpg you get, will get you 25mpg" (easily doable imho)

Let's play with some number shall we?

Say you own your car for 150k miles and you pay $4.00 a gallon for gas. Over the life of your vehicle you will spend $33,333 in gas.

Now for the same scenario, say you pay $4.25 for diesel. Over the life of a diesel Tacoma you will spend $25,500 for diesel.

Now I don't want to hurt you so I'll go ahead and do the next part for you too. $33,333 - $25,500 = $7,833. This makes up for the $5,000 extra you spent.

For me this would be a no brainer, but the cool thing about options is you can elect not to go that route.

Right, I can tell.

 

I love Toyotas and diesels. I am a total fanboi

 

Whipper why are you not in this thread yet

http://www.tacomaworld.com/forum/showthread.php?t=243986

 

I no see you there. You are totally missing all the derp tonight

 

Lol, ok if it costs $10k more (dunno how you got to that, but I'll play), you can make up for that and then some in 250k miles if you wanted to.

I would invest the extra money to have something that is generally more reliable, gets better fuel economy, I could run my own homemade bio diesel, and I could tweak to get gobs of power out of. I don't really tow with my truck, I wouldn't want to tow with a mid size anyway.

General maintance isn't that different. Diesels hold more oil, but doing your own oil mitigates that cost.

Why would breaking down some how cause you to be done? If you break down in a gasser, you fix it. If you break down in a diesel, guess what... Oh yeah, you fix it.

 

Lets keep this friendly...

Just dont argue with whipper.

Before the thread gets

 

Hah, I think I'm keeping it friendly. I'm just trying to dispel some of the negatives about diesels that I see all the time. Besides, he's having just as much fun arguing with me as I am with him...

 

YES!

I'm sitting here trying to figure out how to afford to go road tripping/camping out of this truck as gas approaches $5.00 a gallon here in California. 30MPG would make it happen. The technology exists, bring it over here to the US and SELL it to me! Screw the oil companies and their payouts to the automakers!

 

derp

http://www.tacomaworld.com/forum/showthread.php?t=244470

 

The biodiesel production thing isn't that costly if you build most of the stuff yourself. Besides I would have access to all the free oil I would need to run my truck to make it well worth the cost.

Not everyone would spend the $1000 on a piggy back ecu, or the upgrades to make lots of power, that is strictly for the enthusiast (like adding a super charger to the 4.0 currently is). And no diesel isn't all about towing, it is about power/mpg efficiency (I don't see many people towing with their TDI jettas...)

As far as fuel filters go, for the hilux they are about $10 bucks, I can swing that every 30k.

Yes fuel injectors go out on diesels, but at 200 bucks a pop x 4 = $800, a far cry from the $4k you are claiming. Diesels are generally known for their reliability, most people consider 200k miles just broken in on a diesel (and at the end of the road for a gasser). Also check out blue book values on diesels, they hold up much better than their gas brothers...

 

You can point out issues in gas engines too. You ever heard of crankwalk and DSM? What about spun bearings and 2.0L subaru engines? Maybe the Mopar 2.2L knocker?

Everything has its ups and downs. Toyota has a pretty darn good design currently, why not use it.

 

powerstroke has been a pretty consistent turd

 

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