The Drifter - Specs and FAQ

White Mountains · Feb 25, 2020

Arctic Taco said: ↑

Sadly it is pretty common with the ceramic block type burner. Good propane is critical as well, any blends( butane/propane mixes have problems due to the different boiling points for vaporization) You could try warming the propane bottle(1# size in your sleeping bag, that may help)
It takes a lot to warm them up enough to start burning efficiently. We tried a similar type out in Antarctica and found they worked great once they were warm but at camp build out - not your best choice. They still use them in some fish huts and RacTents that get used closer to town where it is warmer. Catalytic burner type fuel oil drip stoves still reign supreme. But not too practical in a truck.
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What do you do up in Denali? I backpacked Denali NP a few years back. God's country.........

Eazy.E · Feb 25, 2020

Overlanerd said: ↑

Sorry for not replying here earlier. We appreciate everyone's patience! We absolutely want to get people into their Drifters/ Nomads and out into the wild. The desire to build them faster is mutually beneficial. Our operating costs are fixed regardless of how many campers we produce.

In 2019 we had struggles with suppliers. Expected lead times on parts grew, even with a margin of error built into the equation. While our main suppliers have drastically ramped-up (including hiring or process improvements), the previous delays have pushed back a cushioned schedule. We put new developments on hold (like the flatbed camper) and focused all efforts into production efficiencies. And it's something we work on every day. Because we're a small company, we're able to implement the efficiency improvements with each batch. Not by re-designing just to make it faster, but improving on an already proven design to make construction more efficient. Like having holes laser- cut instead of drilling.

When redesigning or implementing something new, we ask ourselves these questions (in order of priority):

Will it have the same quality/ functionality/ strength and/ or improve it?

Will the change keep production the same or make the process faster?

Will the cost stay the same, increase, or be reduced?

If the answer to question 1 isn't "Yes", we don't move to question 2.

If the change is better, faster, but costs more, we often implement it. With no cost increase to the customer. Time is money, so we can justify these increases.

If the change makes the product better, for the same cost and production time, we implement it.

We delayed launching Vagabond until Iggy and I beat every single element of the camper to death. For example, the tent window design alone took us over 2 weeks, many conversations, and well over 100 late night texts. And each element of the camper went through a similar process. We knew we were losing market share to competitors, but didn't want our customers stuck with product requiring warranty work. We love hearing back from customers, after the first night, week, month, or year with great things to say. People notice the small details that they didn't on the internet or at a visit to our event booth. Or when viewing campers of our many great customers willing to show them off.

We're working ungodly hours and are doing our best to get everyone their campers as soon as possible. And completely apologize if our previous lead times were incorrect. We have always prided ourselves on a quality product that will stand the test of time. Our sole selling point is the camper we designed, and not a short lead time. We had no intention of being inaccurate.

Again, we apologize for the increased lead times and are working our tails off to improve on efficiency and communication. The lead times we have provided in the last 6 months have been much more accurate after experiencing the unforeseen delays. We will continue to ensure that each camper that rolls out the door meets our high quality standard, while building as efficiently as we can!

On that note, it's 4:38 am and I'm heading home. Each stoked customer that rolls out the door keeps me from every getting burnt out. I love this job, this industry, and the products we're creating! Love the customers too, but I'm not in love with you. I hope you understand...
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ILY tho..

Babish_SD · Feb 25, 2020

Overlanerd said: ↑

Sorry for not replying here earlier. We appreciate everyone's patience! We absolutely want to get people into their Drifters/ Nomads and out into the wild. The desire to build them faster is mutually beneficial. Our operating costs are fixed regardless of how many campers we produce.

In 2019 we had struggles with suppliers. Expected lead times on parts grew, even with a margin of error built into the equation. While our main suppliers have drastically ramped-up (including hiring or process improvements), the previous delays have pushed back a cushioned schedule. We put new developments on hold (like the flatbed camper) and focused all efforts into production efficiencies. And it's something we work on every day. Because we're a small company, we're able to implement the efficiency improvements with each batch. Not by re-designing just to make it faster, but improving on an already proven design to make construction more efficient. Like having holes laser- cut instead of drilling.

When redesigning or implementing something new, we ask ourselves these questions (in order of priority):

Will it have the same quality/ functionality/ strength and/ or improve it?

Will the change keep production the same or make the process faster?

Will the cost stay the same, increase, or be reduced?

If the answer to question 1 isn't "Yes", we don't move to question 2.

If the change is better, faster, but costs more, we often implement it. With no cost increase to the customer. Time is money, so we can justify these increases.

If the change makes the product better, for the same cost and production time, we implement it.

We delayed launching Vagabond until Iggy and I beat every single element of the camper to death. For example, the tent window design alone took us over 2 weeks, many conversations, and well over 100 late night texts. And each element of the camper went through a similar process. We knew we were losing market share to competitors, but didn't want our customers stuck with product requiring warranty work. We love hearing back from customers, after the first night, week, month, or year with great things to say. People notice the small details that they didn't on the internet or at a visit to our event booth. Or when viewing campers of our many great customers willing to show them off.

We're working ungodly hours and are doing our best to get everyone their campers as soon as possible. And completely apologize if our previous lead times were incorrect. We have always prided ourselves on a quality product that will stand the test of time. Our sole selling point is the camper we designed, and not a short lead time. We had no intention of being inaccurate.

Again, we apologize for the increased lead times and are working our tails off to improve on efficiency and communication. The lead times we have provided in the last 6 months have been much more accurate after experiencing the unforeseen delays. We will continue to ensure that each camper that rolls out the door meets our high quality standard, while building as efficiently as we can!

On that note, it's 4:38 am and I'm heading home. Each stoked customer that rolls out the door keeps me from every getting burnt out. I love this job, this industry, and the products we're creating! Love the customers too, but I'm not in love with you. I hope you understand...
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mmmmmm that flatbed option I continue to dream of........

MapJunkie · Feb 25, 2020

MaxxFan Mini-Review

We had an opportunity to use the v2 fan this weekend, and I thought I would post some thoughts. I can’t really compare the MaxxFan to the Fantastic fan because I have only seen the Fantastic fan on other units. My initial thoughts were that the MaxxFan looks to be great on features but a little less finished.

The biggest thing I like about the MaxxFan is that it locks in place for transit. After cranking down the vent, you can turn the dial and lock the vent down. I understand from Phil that this feature is available because this fan is use on the A-Liner campers that have the fan in the backwards orientation to airflow when driving.

The vent knob.

Another feature I like is the ability to adjust the speed of the fan separately from on/off. Some fans require you to cycle through all the speeds in order to turn the unit off. One issue I have had is that the fan stops on level 1. This is a major disappointment because level 1 is also the quietist setting. I have pulled the screen away from the fan and still have the issue. Has anyone else run into this issue?

The final feature I like about the fan is that it has a reverse switch. This rocker allows you to have inflow, off, outflow. I understand VO hand wires this switch to get the multi-directional fan. Kudos!

I like the features the MaxxFan provides, but am reserving judgement on the fit and finish. I love the fact that I can get a fan installed at the factory - this is amazing for this product. The screen touches the fan at times causing it to stop. The fan appears to wobble on the shaft as well. Level 1 on the fan doesn’t work consistently and fan will simply stop. I talked with Chris at VO and he thought I might be able to remove and reseat the fan so it will spin without wobble. I will provide any updates if that works. Any other experience with this fan would be helpful.

SenatorBlutarsky · Feb 25, 2020

MapJunkie said: ↑

One issue I have had is that the fan stops on level 1. This is a major disappointment because level 1 is also the quietist setting. I have pulled the screen away from the fan and still have the issue. Has anyone else run into this issue?
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I have run the fan on the lowest setting all night on several occasions without issue...

Pretty sure I was running it "in reverse" (i.e. pulling air out), in case that matters.

White Mountains · Feb 27, 2020

Overlanerd said: ↑

Sorry for not replying here earlier. We appreciate everyone's patience! We absolutely want to get people into their Drifters/ Nomads and out into the wild. The desire to build them faster is mutually beneficial. Our operating costs are fixed regardless of how many campers we produce.

In 2019 we had struggles with suppliers. Expected lead times on parts grew, even with a margin of error built into the equation. While our main suppliers have drastically ramped-up (including hiring or process improvements), the previous delays have pushed back a cushioned schedule. We put new developments on hold (like the flatbed camper) and focused all efforts into production efficiencies. And it's something we work on every day. Because we're a small company, we're able to implement the efficiency improvements with each batch. Not by re-designing just to make it faster, but improving on an already proven design to make construction more efficient. Like having holes laser- cut instead of drilling.

When redesigning or implementing something new, we ask ourselves these questions (in order of priority):

Will it have the same quality/ functionality/ strength and/ or improve it?

Will the change keep production the same or make the process faster?

Will the cost stay the same, increase, or be reduced?

If the answer to question 1 isn't "Yes", we don't move to question 2.

If the change is better, faster, but costs more, we often implement it. With no cost increase to the customer. Time is money, so we can justify these increases.

If the change makes the product better, for the same cost and production time, we implement it.

We delayed launching Vagabond until Iggy and I beat every single element of the camper to death. For example, the tent window design alone took us over 2 weeks, many conversations, and well over 100 late night texts. And each element of the camper went through a similar process. We knew we were losing market share to competitors, but didn't want our customers stuck with product requiring warranty work. We love hearing back from customers, after the first night, week, month, or year with great things to say. People notice the small details that they didn't on the internet or at a visit to our event booth. Or when viewing campers of our many great customers willing to show them off.

We're working ungodly hours and are doing our best to get everyone their campers as soon as possible. And completely apologize if our previous lead times were incorrect. We have always prided ourselves on a quality product that will stand the test of time. Our sole selling point is the camper we designed, and not a short lead time. We had no intention of being inaccurate.

Again, we apologize for the increased lead times and are working our tails off to improve on efficiency and communication. The lead times we have provided in the last 6 months have been much more accurate after experiencing the unforeseen delays. We will continue to ensure that each camper that rolls out the door meets our high quality standard, while building as efficiently as we can!

On that note, it's 4:38 am and I'm heading home. Each stoked customer that rolls out the door keeps me from every getting burnt out. I love this job, this industry, and the products we're creating! Love the customers too, but I'm not in love with you. I hope you understand...
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@Overlanerd
@Iggy

You mentioned on Instagram on Jan 9 that you were working on a different camper entry option. Was that a barn door and what is the status? Also, are you still preparing to test the new camper jack attachments in March?

Kclamer · Feb 25, 2020

MapJunkie said: ↑

MaxxFan Mini-Review

We had an opportunity to use the v2 fan this weekend, and I thought I would post some thoughts. I can’t really compare the MaxxFan to the Fantastic fan because I have only seen the Fantastic fan on other units. My initial thoughts were that the MaxxFan looks to be great on features but a little less finished.

The biggest thing I like about the MaxxFan is that it locks in place for transit. After cranking down the vent, you can turn the dial and lock the vent down. I understand from Phil that this feature is available because this fan is use on the A-Liner campers that have the fan in the backwards orientation to airflow when driving.

The vent knob.

Another feature I like is the ability to adjust the speed of the fan separately from on/off. Some fans require you to cycle through all the speeds in order to turn the unit off. One issue I have had is that the fan stops on level 1. This is a major disappointment because level 1 is also the quietist setting. I have pulled the screen away from the fan and still have the issue. Has anyone else run into this issue?

The final feature I like about the fan is that it has a reverse switch. This rocker allows you to have inflow, off, outflow. I understand VO hand wires this switch to get the multi-directional fan. Kudos!

I like the features the MaxxFan provides, but am reserving judgement on the fit and finish. I love the fact that I can get a fan installed at the factory - this is amazing for this product. The screen touches the fan at times causing it to stop. The fan appears to wobble on the shaft as well. Level 1 on the fan doesn’t work consistently and fan will simply stop. I talked with Chris at VO and he thought I might be able to remove and reseat the fan so it will spin without wobble. I will provide any updates if that works. Any other experience with this fan would be helpful.

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Wow thank you for such a detailed look at the fan. I cant wait for my camper and its reviews like this that make the pain manageable also kudos for good pictures!

Arctic Taco · Feb 26, 2020

aaen said: ↑

Unofficial beer of drifters? You ill never see that swill being consumed anywhere near my truck. Only good quality beer in my drifter!!
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You can use it to wash the mud of your XtraTuffs....

Arctic Taco · Feb 28, 2020

t.hornstra said: ↑

Nice take on a new school method for an old school trick. People have been using ‘hot water bottles’ for centuries. Simplicity is often overlooked. Good job!
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Yep, you can try using a couple, 1-neoprene sleeve or an extra Woolrich wool sock, 2nd with a OR bottle parka. When the thinner sleeve bottle gets cool, switch it out with the one in the OR parka. I used this combo, Thermarest Base Camp on top of an ensolite pad, along with a fleece bag liner and NF Tangerine Dream laid over the top, or a double bag combo for several weeks in a NF VE25 tent during drill site construction out at the West Antarctic Ice Sheet field camp set up. A few different variations of this combo served very well over 7 seasons of camp put ins.

brehew · Feb 28, 2020

Arctic Taco said: ↑

Yep, you can try using a couple, 1-neoprene sleeve or an extra Woolrich wool sock, 2nd with a OR bottle parka. When the thinner sleeve bottle gets cool, switch it out with the one in the OR parka. I used this combo, Thermarest Base Camp on top of an ensolite pad, along with a fleece bag liner and NF Tangerine Dream laid over the top, or a double bag combo for several weeks in a NF VE25 tent during drill site construction out at the West Antarctic Ice Sheet field camp set up. A few different variations of this combo served very well over 7 seasons of camp put ins.
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In my case, I'm not worried about being warm while sleeping, i'm trying to dry out gear ski gear and reduce the humidity in the camper. Keeping the gf warm while sleeping is a large secondary goal. This is why i'm going Propex, despite the cost and complexity.

Arctic Taco · Feb 29, 2020

Agreed, with this package- hoping to make my order around the end of the summer, depending on projects and such- but with minimal mods this is an easy 4 season camping device, as long you don’t mind going rustic to a degree. That said the Propex heater sounds like the bomb, and it is going onto my project list. I hope I can lay eyes on one of these in the wild, maybe on my way back up north, or south or during the summer.
Now to design a double swing out carrier, thinking about a 4xInnovations bumper and possibly a their swing out cut down to facilitate a double swing out. Always something....

MapJunkie · Mar 4, 2020

MapJunkie said: ↑

MaxxFan Mini-Review

We had an opportunity to use the v2 fan this weekend, and I thought I would post some thoughts. I can’t really compare the MaxxFan to the Fantastic fan because I have only seen the Fantastic fan on other units. My initial thoughts were that the MaxxFan looks to be great on features but a little less finished.

The biggest thing I like about the MaxxFan is that it locks in place for transit. After cranking down the vent, you can turn the dial and lock the vent down. I understand from Phil that this feature is available because this fan is use on the A-Liner campers that have the fan in the backwards orientation to airflow when driving.

The vent knob.

Another feature I like is the ability to adjust the speed of the fan separately from on/off. Some fans require you to cycle through all the speeds in order to turn the unit off. One issue I have had is that the fan stops on level 1. This is a major disappointment because level 1 is also the quietist setting. I have pulled the screen away from the fan and still have the issue. Has anyone else run into this issue?

The final feature I like about the fan is that it has a reverse switch. This rocker allows you to have inflow, off, outflow. I understand VO hand wires this switch to get the multi-directional fan. Kudos!

I like the features the MaxxFan provides, but am reserving judgement on the fit and finish. I love the fact that I can get a fan installed at the factory - this is amazing for this product. The screen touches the fan at times causing it to stop. The fan appears to wobble on the shaft as well. Level 1 on the fan doesn’t work consistently and fan will simply stop. I talked with Chris at VO and he thought I might be able to remove and reseat the fan so it will spin without wobble. I will provide any updates if that works. Any other experience with this fan would be helpful.

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I wanted to post a quick update on the fan. I followed Chris’s recommendation from VO and removed the fan using a small Allen wrench. I then reseated the fan, but allowed another 16th” of clearance between the fan and the motor. I ran the fan for a couple of hours last night and it never shut down. I think this might have resolved the issue. The fan still wobbles as it spins, but perhaps this is part of the design.

I will also mention that one of the knobs on the fan appears to be mislabeled from MaxxFan. It references pulling the knob to unlock the vent and pushing it to lock the vent. A separate knob is now used for locking the vent, so this text is now inaccurate.

An additional note is that I have measured the power consumption that the fan takes. These readings are listed below by fan setting:

Level 4 - 3.0 Ah
Level 3 - 1.5 Ah
Level 2 - .65 Ah
Level 1 - .23 Ah

I am looking forward to warmer weather that requires use of the fan!

White Mountains · Mar 4, 2020

MapJunkie said: ↑

I wanted to post a quick update on the fan. I followed Chris’s recommendation from VO and removed the fan using a small Allen wrench. I then reseated the fan, but allowed another 16th” of clearance between the fan and the motor. I ran the fan for a couple of hours last night and it never shut down. I think this might have resolved the issue. The fan still wobbles as it spins, but perhaps this is part of the design.

I will also mention that one of the knobs on the fan appears to be mislabeled from MaxxFan. It references pulling the knob to unlock the vent and pushing it to lock the vent. A separate knob is now used for locking the vent, so this text is now inaccurate.

An additional note is that I have measured the power consumption that the fan takes. These readings are listed below by fan setting:

Level 4 - 3.0 Ah
Level 3 - 1.5 Ah
Level 2 - .65 Ah
Level 1 - .23 Ah

I am looking forward to warmer weather that requires use of the fan!
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So was this a factory defect in the fan or an installation issue from VO?

MapJunkie · Mar 4, 2020

White Mountains said: ↑

So was this a factory defect in the fan or an installation issue from VO?
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My assumption is that that VO doesn’t take off the fan for their mods, but I don’t really know. At least it was an easy fix.

4wdExplorer · Mar 5, 2020

So I'm about 1 week shy of 1 year mark from placing my Drifter order. Thinking about the options I selected.

I have chosen both passenger and driver Frontrunner Doors. I also selected the lower insulation option. I believe the ceiling comes insulated standard. Now that I think of it the FR doors take up most of the side space of the short cab. If lower insulation is added are the FR doors insulated?? I would think they are not.

In that case I would remove the lower insulation option as there is no point having a very small portion insulated and pay $375... Thoughts?

SenatorBlutarsky · Mar 5, 2020

4wdExplorer said: ↑

So I'm about 1 week shy of 1 year mark from placing my Drifter order. Thinking about the options I selected.

I have chosen both passenger and driver Frontrunner Doors. I also selected the lower insulation option. I believe the ceiling comes insulated standard. Now that I think of it the FR doors take up most of the side space of the short cab. If lower insulation is added are the FR doors insulated?? I would think they are not.

In that case I would remove the lower insulation option as there is no point having a very small portion insulated and pay $375... Thoughts?
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I believe the frontrunner doors aren't insulated.

For what it's worth, it was pretty cheap and easy to do insulation myself. I used 1" foam insulation from home Depot and covered it in indoor/outdoor carpet. Probably cost $20 and a few hours.

Anderson · Mar 5, 2020

4wdExplorer said: ↑

So I'm about 1 week shy of 1 year mark from placing my Drifter order. Thinking about the options I selected.

I have chosen both passenger and driver Frontrunner Doors. I also selected the lower insulation option. I believe the ceiling comes insulated standard. Now that I think of it the FR doors take up most of the side space of the short cab. If lower insulation is added are the FR doors insulated?? I would think they are not.

In that case I would remove the lower insulation option as there is no point having a very small portion insulated and pay $375... Thoughts?
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Keep the insulation package. What they charge for it versus what it actually takes them to install is crazy. I wish it was an option back when I purchased mine. It is a major PITA to install yourself. Which I will have to do. I am also working on an insulation system for my doors that will integrate with my MOLLE panels/Side Saddle brackets.

Imperial Taco · Mar 5, 2020

4wdExplorer said: ↑

So I'm about 1 week shy of 1 year mark from placing my Drifter order. Thinking about the options I selected.

I have chosen both passenger and driver Frontrunner Doors. I also selected the lower insulation option. I believe the ceiling comes insulated standard. Now that I think of it the FR doors take up most of the side space of the short cab. If lower insulation is added are the FR doors insulated?? I would think they are not.

In that case I would remove the lower insulation option as there is no point having a very small portion insulated and pay $375... Thoughts?
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We went with the same option on ours. For the R value it adds and the fit and finish we really couldn't replicate it. I've see some of the home brews and while they are nice most use carpet and we can't stand the carpet feel so it was out for us.

I'm not sure what other options you went with but for 375 I'd keep it.

Just my .02 but the clean look and benefits are worth it to us.

Cheers

Babish_SD · Mar 5, 2020

Still dreaming and planning my own, but I battle with similar thoughts. But continue to throw the question, if I need the Front Runner doors on both sides

joeydurango · Mar 5, 2020

Frontrunners are awesome! I use mine all the time, and the buildout isn't even finished yet.

As for the insulation - mine isn't insulated but I wish it were. I'll be doing that myself. The factory install is super clean, and there's plenty of room around the (uninsulated) doors that will need it. And I'm pretty sure they use ACM ("e-panel") in the package, and that stuff is insanely expensive, at least everywhere I've seen it...

I'll be building some sort of insulation for the FR doors as well, that will likely become a Nightfall Overland product offered to the Vagabond public, as well as bug screens for the FR doors.

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