TOTAL CHAOS Long Travel *Discussion Thread*

Neither is stronger than the other, really the only difference is looks. The tube lowers have kind of an "old school" look to them and the boxed would be "new hotness". Other than that it's going to perform the same

 

2011 Tacoma DCLB on a +2 expedition series kit and spring under axle conversion.

 

Will a +2 LT Kit for a 3rd gen Tacoma work on a 2nd gen Tacoma? Or are the Lower Control Arms different?

 

I believe the only difference is the rear cam bolt is larger on the 3rd gen vs the 2nd. So all you should have to do is purchase the correct bushings and inner sleeves. Everything else is exactly the same. Someone please correct me if I’m wrong.

 

Good stuff here! Question, has anyone asked about the scrub radius? What wheel offset should we use to maintain good IFS geometry? I’m looking at 35” tires on 17x8.5 0 offset along with the Expedition +2 kit.

cheers
Mike

 

What sort of offset and backspacing is needed for the +2?

I am currently running 315s on 17" x 8", -10mm offset, and 4.1" backspacing with stock lca and aftermarket uca and kings shocks. It's currently about as wide as I want it to be (a little bit past fenders) and has backspacing to spare.

So I was thinking of going with skinnier 35's and 0 or negative offset rims to counteract the 2" from the long travel.

 

Hi XCaldazar,

My spindles clear with TC gussets and I'm on 35x12.5x17 zero offset. I think the space is tighter w/ the gusseted spindles, so I can vouch for 0 offset. Before I bought the wheels/tires, I checked in w/ TC and they said the +2 kit is designed around that tire and wheel combination.


HTH,
Mike

 

I appreciate the info. I just got the spindles gusseted today, so I will double check what sort of spacing I have available now. Possibly less than I anticipated with my current setup

 

Please give us a call at 951-737-9682 if you have any questions. We can get you all the info you need based on what you have.

 

Just spoke with TC. I strongly suggest calling them with your specific combo, they are very nice and explained many things to me.

I have the regular +2 LT with 315/70R17 and the Sway-bar compatible gussets; the suggested wheel is 7x8.5" with 4.75" backspacing (0 offset) or less. Rubbing is still expected without tubbing and other modifications. Remove coilovers and cycle suspension while rotating the steering wheel to find all the sledge hammer targets.

 

Question for the plus 2 kit.

Are the UCA's designed to add in positive camber like the stock lengths? https://www.tacomaworld.com/threads/total-chaos-2016-toyota-tacoma-upper-control-arm-uca.553737/

If you wanted to add in positive caster with UCA heim joints. Would it be lengthening the rear pivot heim?

 

Whats everyone's spring rates with your total chaos kits? I got the plus 2 expedition kit from accutune and resprung the coil overs to 16" x 650lbs (against accutune reccomendations) because it was sitting low in the front. 650's didn't have much of an effect and i cant imagine running 700's but maybe? Looking to see other folks similar set ups and spring rates.

I have seen a Tacoma on IG "tacomakoma" running the same kit with the 600# springs with no preload and he looks like he has plenty of height clearing his 37's. Not something i am trying to achieve. Rather just another inch or 2 of lift.

My bottom line concern is that a total chaos plus 2 kit will not work with heavy rigs due to not having a spring that is compatible. Heavier rates increase coil bind risk and length of shock does not support longer than 16" springs. front wheels on scale weight - 3300 . Rear wheels - 2600
Total ~6000 depending on gas and passengers


Some comparison photos with my neighbors gray truck that is stock with a 2" spacer lift.

Neighbors fender to hub measurement - 23"
My fender to hub measurement - 21.5 ish