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Toyota manual transmission percentage.

Discussion in '3rd Gen. Tacomas (2016+)' started by Greg19sport, May 14, 2019.

  1. May 15, 2019 at 9:08 AM
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    chaotic_taco

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    It was mentioned above, but the likely reasoning is they only want to make the manual for one chassis length: the ACLB/DCSB. DCLB is already pretty rare, so 5% of them is probably a 4 digit production run... not worth the hassle to change tooling.
     
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  2. May 15, 2019 at 9:15 AM
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    Would they need to change tooling though? I always presumed the frame to be pretty much identical until you get rearward of the cab. I think it's more of a "perceived demand" not being high enough to justify it in Toyotas eyes.
     
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  3. May 15, 2019 at 9:36 AM
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    I lucked out and found the exact truck I wanted at the first dealer I visited - Picked up a 2018 Off Road double cab short bed with a manual transmission (I believe that's the only configuration you can get the MT with here in the states) and tech package (included the leather interior and moon roof) in Barcelona Red. Truck had 3 miles on it (probably the miles to get it loaded on/off the auto carrier) and was buried in the back of their warehouse behind a bunch of other vehicles.

    The salesman at the dealer looked at me funny when I gave him my specifications and asked, "Are you sure you want the manual? I'm not sure we even have any as no one wants them. I don't remember the last time I sold a manual transmission vehicle."

    I get that manual transmissions are a dying breed but I really enjoy rowing my own gears. My maternal grandfather drove an auto carrier rig for his entire career. He passed away when I was in my early teens as he suffered from pulmonary/cardiovascular issues in the last years of his life (strokes and the resulting paralysis) so I don't remember too much about him but I have faint memories of sitting in the passenger seat of the cab of his truck driving down the road with him thinking that being a truck driver has got to be one of the coolest jobs ever! Corny as it may be, when I'm driving this truck and rowing through the gears, I feel a connection with him, even after all these years (I'm 40 now.)

    I also find that in this highly connected world we live in, having a manual transmission forces me to constantly focus on the task of driving. It's at least as effective as having my wife sitting next to me yelling, "put the phone down and focus on the road, dear!"

    Sad to see the manuals dying :-(
     
  4. May 15, 2019 at 9:56 AM
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    The transmission is mounted directly under the cab, so unless they designed the mounts to be the same, there's the answer. It could be the demand thing, or perhaps their thinking is that a DCLB is a "work" truck and people who want MTs are buying a "play" truck... Who knows.
     
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  5. May 15, 2019 at 9:56 AM
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    Congrats.

    I have memories of my aunt's canary yellow LeMans and a few of my dad rowing gears in the Beetle. He wanted a small 4x4 but never pulled the trigger, so getting the Taco is a bit sentimental.

    The ACLB Sport can be had with an MT here also.
     
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  6. May 15, 2019 at 10:14 AM
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    The manuals here are a proud pride.. :0
     
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  7. May 15, 2019 at 10:14 AM
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    KBOX In a va.. *cough* truck down by the river.

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    Myself as well.
     
  8. May 15, 2019 at 10:16 AM
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    I get why people might want this truck in stickshift, but coming from someone who has it, it's a bad deal all around. The engine they put in there is horribly suited for a manual, has zero low end grunt, the transmission, like many Toyota MT's, is known to be weak and given to grenading various components. And given all the slop in the drivetrain, it's clunky as hell. Pass on the manual and save yourself the grief. I've driven manuals for some 16 years, and until this one, never had any mechanical issues in one and only had to replace one clutch that was almost 200k miles.
     
  9. May 15, 2019 at 10:29 AM
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    I am worried that the 3rd gens will be the last of the MT tacomas. If they are, then I will be trading my 2017 for a 2024 (or whatever the last year of the 3rd gens are) MT Tacoma. I am guessing that the last of the MT Tacomas will hold their value well, so trading in that case wouldn't be a bad investment. We will see though.
     
  10. May 15, 2019 at 10:49 AM
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    I am worried that the 3rd gens will be the last of the MT tacomas

    No loss. They royally suck. Go drive a real stickshift like in a Honda or VW and see what I mean.
     
  11. May 15, 2019 at 10:50 AM
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    Go find another thread Troll.
     
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    I'm sorry that you think I'm trolling. My opinions are based on actually owning one of these for an unfortunate 30 months. But if you want to save up 2 grand for when the clutch disc and throwout bearing implode, be my guest.
     
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    This is the tightest and slickest MT that I have owned. I didn't find a VW MT anything special (early 2000s). Now if you said Miata, there's a leg to stand on, but that is a bit of an extreme comparison considering.

    Note that the stock ECU tune affected shifting significantly as does the accumulator. Both can be dealt with for almost free.
     
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  14. May 15, 2019 at 10:58 AM
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    Note that the stock ECU tune affected shifting significantly as does the accumulator. Both can be dealt with for almost free.

    I guess I'm confused. Ovtune is 700 smackers. That isn't really almost free.
     
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    I had that applied. It's better for about 300 miles, until the truck exits learning mode, then it goes right back to the usual. In fact, you can just disconnect your battery cables for 30 seconds and pretty much get the same effect.
     
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    4k later for me (no disconnecting battery) and I still notice a big difference over stock tune. Substantially less stuttering, more low-end power/torque, etc.
     
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    I've been telling the dealer my truck is defective for years and they don't care. Another reason I decided to throw in the towel, lemon the POS, and get the heck out. Nice looking truck, but too many problems to be happy with it, bottom line.
     
  19. May 15, 2019 at 11:09 AM
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    I would venture to guess that Toyota's bean counters are fairly accurate with their numbers and that's the reason you only see so many MTs being built. I would guess/assume that they would build just slightly under the actual demand so they won't have any rotting away on dealer lots because nobody knows how to drive them! I just taught my daughter how to drive one....years after she got her license...because she asked to learn.
     
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    The irony is that dealers will often refuse to bargain on a 6MT, especially if it's a higher package like OR with tech. I was only able to get 500 off MSRP when I bought my truck. It was the only one in a 3-state area.
     

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