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Toyota Oil Filter (Made in Thailand) vs. the competition........

Discussion in 'Technical Chat' started by chris4x4, Nov 15, 2010.

  1. Jan 14, 2014 at 10:50 AM
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    chris told me the filter he did the write up on was for a gen 2... maybe that is the right filter for my gen 1... nobody has yet said anything about the made in USA part yet?
     
  2. Jan 14, 2014 at 7:13 PM
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    They're all compatible.
    Toyota does have a couple of smaller filters used on the Rav4, Echo, Corolla, etc... but all Toyota trucks since the beginning of time have used a standard base filter that is compatible with the old Motorcraft "FL-1A"
    The newer filters are smaller diameter, but the fitment is the same.

    On the height of the filter, I haven't opened up a Toyota filter to see, but on Amsoil filters, it doesn't matter if the can is 3" tall or 5" tall... they both get the same guts.
     
  3. Jan 14, 2014 at 7:17 PM
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    ok... thanks!
     
  4. Jan 25, 2014 at 5:49 PM
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    I certainly appreciate all the info concerning oil filters. I just got my last free Toyota Care service done last month, so the next one (and countless to follow) are all mine.

    I'm definitely going to go with either the PureOne or the OEM since that seems to be the consensus I've tabulated from this on-going thread. The deciding factor probably going to be $ and convenience of purchase location.

    That said, I used Fram on my previous truck ('97 S10) and never had any issues through 312K miles, changing oil every 4K. And I've seen it being driven by another owner since I pretty much sold it for junk. It wasn't worth it to me for the cost of fuel pump, tank and all fuel lines being replaced, including labor. That's when I got my 'coma.

    Thanks for everyone's input. I mostly lurk here, but find plenty to mull around when I do.
     
  5. Jan 25, 2014 at 6:00 PM
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    buy a case of the oil filters on ebay and they are about $4 each
     
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    Convenience of purchase will also put you in The Napa range I would suspect. Napa Gold 1348 or the Napa Platinum 41516, which is 1/2" longer than the OEM or the Gold. I run the 1348's and have for years.

    FWIW, We use a no bypass Napa Gold on a 780 cid $75,000 Gene Fulton Nitrous pro mod motor with 70 psi oil pressure using Brad Penn 50wt racing oil, and have yet to push one apart inside. I couldn't believe it,,till I seen it first hand.

    It's safe to say it will provide the necessary protection on any vehicle or motor.
     
  7. Jan 26, 2014 at 5:45 AM
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    In addition to cars and light trucks' we have heavy equipment and tractors. So the filter argument has been a topic between us for years.

    Have seen several filter comparisons; and they just about all fit in line with the observations on here.

    Certainly there are less effective ones, and cheaper ones; but price doesn't always determine quality. I don't know which ones actually Work, better than another. Sure there are obvious visual differences.

    If you don't feel good with one or the other; my suggestion is change it more often.

    oldracer
     
  8. Feb 8, 2014 at 1:11 AM
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    Many years ago, I bought a used junker that took a very standard filter. I had several new filters in my shop that I wasn't really planning to use. I decided to see if one of them would clean up the dirty oil in the corolla. I installed a Fram filter and ran it for about an hour. Of course, it was a subjective test but I really couldn't see any significant improvement. Also, the Fram didn't have an anti-drain back filter and when I took it apart, part of the paper element was torn. I don't think they know which vehicles need the valve. I installed a standard Purolator filter. After an hour, the oil was perhaps cleaner but still dirty. I installed a Lee filter. That cleaned it up noticeably but it was still dirty. (I don't think Lee is around anymore) I then installed my last filter, a Hastings. When I checked the dipstick, at first I thought there was no oil on it. Dipping it again, I looked closer. The Hastings had so completely filtered the oil that it was light golden in color. Upon disassembly, the filter was very well made. I continued to use them and extended my change duration. I have also used some Purolator One filters
    I use OEM Toyota filters for warranty purposes now. I don't know if the Hastings filters are still exceptional or not. I know they make a high end filter with a filter inside the filter design but they are expensive.
    I don't know if the square area of media is a totally valid way to compare filters. It probably is.
    The Purolator One filter specs are available for what percentage is trapped at different micron specs. Most filter specs do not relate to a small enough particle.
    It would be cool if you looked at a Hastings. I'm curious if they are still exceptional.
     
  9. Feb 8, 2014 at 1:43 AM
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    Great write up! Ive always used the Toyota filters. Id like to see same test done on synthetic oil brands. Walmarts supertech brand V Mobil 1 synthetic. Ive heard the oil breaks down the same but havent seen any real testing to prove it. Why pay more just for a name or advertisement gimmick!
     
  10. Feb 8, 2014 at 2:07 AM
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    Excellent review! I usually bought whatever filter at canadian tire, an dit was usually the mobil 1 when it was on sale. Was there last week to get things to do an oil change and noticed it was $15! So I went to toyota to pick one up and there only $9. Think I'll be buying online now though.
     
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    Skimmed off of Hastings filter site:
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    In 1995, Hastings Premium Filters became part of CLARCOR. Other CLARCOR companies — Airguard, ATI, Baldwin Filters, Clark Filter, Facet International, FPI, PECOFacet, Purolator Air, Purolator Engineered Filtration Products, Purolator Facet, Total Filtration Services and United Air Specialists — along with Hastings Premium Filters, are able to share the latest ideas and technology and create solutions that lead to better products.
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    Mod, I saw that information on their site. While it could indicate that a Hastings filter is the same as a Purolator filter, that may not be the case. If you dig down into their pdf spec sheets, it is interesting to note that they use a Powder Technologies Inc. test dust in their contaminant efficiency test. This is the company that is credited with establishing an ISO standard for filtration testing. There is a specific % of each micron size in the test dust down to 1 micron. This results in a lower efficiency value (in the 80+% area) than other companies that report 99+% efficiency because they are looking at the trapping ability of a 30 micron particle. The honesty is refreshing.
     
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    I had to google Purolator Facet,,never heard of that one. Seems to be a specialty/custom filter side company. They also do acoustic attenuation studies. Maybe just a think tank group. I'm thinking Clarcor just holds the Purolator air filter holdings, and the complete side of Hastings with each company doing there own thing for the most part. Could be wrong.
     
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    Bosch purchased Purolator oil filters around 2004.
    This happened about the same time that Champion Labs began producing the "E-Core" design (arguably worse than Fram).

    Prior to the purchase:
    Bosch, Supertech, AC-Delco Duraguard, STP (and others) = Champion Labs standard filter.
    Purolator = Purolator
    Mobil-1, K&N, AC-Delco Duraguard Gold = Champion Labs premium synthetic media

    After the purchase:
    Supertech, AC-Delco, STP (and others) = Champion Labs standard filter using E-Core design.
    Bosch, Purolator = Bosch ownership, Purolator production facilities.
    Mobil-1, K&N = Champion Labs premium synthetic media
    AC-Delco Duraguard Gold = Discontinued

    Prior to the changes, I would have used any of the filters listed.
    After the changes, I would use nothing but Bosch/Purolator or the premium.... assuming that an OEM Toyota filter is not available.

    Supposedly, the Toyota TRD filter is a Champion premium. I've seen a few reports that it has been inspected and found to be the same as the Mobil-1. I have also heard the same for Royal Purple.

    Amsoil oil filters are Wix, but they tend to "cheap out" a bit, meaning if you take two EAO filters, one with a 2.5" tall can, and one with a 4" tall can, they will both have the same filter element inside, so the taller can doesn't gain any filtration area.
     
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    Lee was a Purolator product.
     
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    Any thoughts or recommendations on the TRD oil filter?
     
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    It's a decent filter.
    Same as the K&N and Mobil-1... made on the same line side by side.
     
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    Great views thanks, I bought a magnetic oil drain plug I'll see what I pick up next oil change. Too bad I bought a k&n anybody here think that champion synthetic oil on auto anything is any good. wally world has 5Qt container of mobile 1 syn for 25 bucks better than Advanced for 37 bucks.
     
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    Go with Mobil-1. Never heard of "Champion Synthetic"... it's definitely a private label from another manufacturer... possibly Mobil-1, possibly Castrol (group-III mineral base and certainly not worth $60 for a case).
     
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    I work as a tractor and grounds equipment mechanic. I have now for 31 years, at the local school board. We only use Fram oil filters. I have never seen an oil filter related damaged engine in all of this time. However, because of this write up, I'll never again use one on my personal vehicles. Thanks.
     
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