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Turbo BS Thread

Discussion in 'Performance and Tuning' started by Clay_916, Mar 20, 2017.

  1. Jun 12, 2019 at 5:48 AM
    StAndrew

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    Get a cheap one and pack it with stainless steal wool if you want cheap. If you can gain the access, use a thin sheet of metal to separate the in and out port to keep the air flow from going in and then directly out of the catch can. Let me dust off my MS Paint skills here.

    Catch Can.jpg

    Get this one and you can even wrap the thin metal sheet around the 'baffle' and secure it with a hose clamp (what I'm planning on doing - I have a similar catch can).
    https://www.amazon.com/ESPEEDER-Uni...BBSEHN0J85QC706JVYWF&qid=1560343493&s=gateway

    Just make sure its perforated and the holes go up the entire way to allow continued flow as it fills up.
     
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  2. Jun 12, 2019 at 6:41 PM
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    So reading the "CCV Bible", the PCV closes during boost and crank pressure are expelled out the air inlet filter on top of the cover- this is where the oil is coming from.
     
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  3. Jun 13, 2019 at 6:16 AM
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    Yeah, this PCV thing is hard. I think the best answer is to use the exhaust vacuum.

    Right now I have the rear vent with a one way valve for "in" only and I'm running my PCV to the catch can then to pre-turbo but I'm modding that catch can (as illustrated above) to really clean the air so it doesn't deposit a bunch of grime and crap on the turbo blades.

    The issue with having the PCV close and air expel out the rear vent, besides making a mess, is that positive crank pressure will affect your oil drain. I'm pretty sure this is what was causing my turbo to leak so much oil; that and being cheap.
     
  4. Jun 13, 2019 at 7:28 AM
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    I have always run my PCV in the stock format. Just leave the rear vent cover open to atmosphere. I just cut the hose and let it vent. Never made a mess and never an issue. No catch can required. YMMV
     
  5. Jun 13, 2019 at 7:47 AM
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    How? If you let the rear vent and keep the PCV stock, your intake will pull air in via the rear vent, through the crank, and into your intake manifold without getting metered by the MAF sensor? How do you maintain a proper idle?
     
  6. Jun 13, 2019 at 7:58 AM
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    The rear is just a vent. All the stock configuration is doing, is plumbing the oily blowby gas back into the intake. If you remove the rear vent, you will feel there is no vacuum on it. It just vents blowby. On stock ECU my fuel trims were perfect. Now with AEM and 550s ltft are perfect. Stock PCV, stock routing, just venting the rear to atmosphere, rather than plumbing it back into the intake. Try it, you may like it :)
     
  7. Jun 13, 2019 at 7:58 AM
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  8. Jun 13, 2019 at 8:48 AM
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    Your going to have to show me a picture of how you have it setup. Something doesnt seem right, your explanation or my understanding.
     
  9. Jun 13, 2019 at 9:12 AM
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    I'm not certain my understanding is correct either. I just know in 4 years of turbo and running it this way with 4 different trucks with stock and aftermarket ECU both, it's been flawless. PCV is in factory configuration. But instead of the large diameter hose going from rear vent back to intake (which isn't really possible with cold side pipe anyway unless you make a bung for it), just cut the hose off a few inches and let it vent. I'll try to snag a picture later, but it's underwhelming.
     
  10. Jun 13, 2019 at 10:08 AM
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    So how i understand it, that rear vent allows air to enter the crank. When your PCV is under vacuum (connected to the intake manifold, It will suck air through the rear vent to keep "fresh air" flowing through the block. The issue is, if I'm correct in my assumptions, that becomes a new "air intake" but not metered by the MAF... I can try running it to the stock position and see what my truck does...
     
  11. Jun 13, 2019 at 11:16 AM
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    And all of this debate is why I say to disconnect the PCV system from the intake. Not all PCV valves work well as check valves, especially when they came on cars that were N/A to begin with.

    On a top mount s/c application the force air induction is post throttle body. The vacuum sources are all between the throttle body and lobes. Except for the boost port. Which is after and see vacuum and boost.

    All of those hoses see vacuum then ludicrous vacuum. PCV can easily be left alone.

    On a centrifical or turbo app, all of those post TB hoses see vacuum AND boost. Thus creating a scenario where ring gap blow by gasses pressurize the crank case while simultaneously boost air flows into the crank case from the valve covers. Those gasses then fight against each other because they cannot escape. This causes oil to come out wherever easiest.

    Removing intake manifold to valve cover connecting hoses allows the ring blow-by to vent out of the valve cover. As long as you have a large enough fitting for it to flow out quickly enough, depending on boost level. -8 to -10.

    Valve cover to catch can with breather. Simplest.

    Breather ( fresh air inlet) on valve cover to outlet hose on valve cover to catch can to pre turbo.

    Breather to outlet to catch can to angled exhaust port (post turbo).
     
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  12. Jun 13, 2019 at 3:06 PM
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    I'm in emails with Radium Engineering right now. They said it's a hard rule that a pcv is only used if going to intake, if ever going to pre-turbo then should always be deleted.
    I asked if after deleting the pcv if the AOS-R inlet should remain at the pcv port and the crank fresh air port remain filtered to atmosphere, or plug the pcv port and route the AOS-R inlet to the crank fresh air port; they replied either will work but preferred to plug the pcv port and route the AOS-R inlet to the fresh air port.
    My last email to them is concern about gases traveling up the drain line to the AOS-R, bypassing the baffles and going out to pre-turbo without removing any oil- why would the gases go to the valve cover port instead? I believe this is why I'm having oil at the oil filter.
     
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    Ahh the suspense. Like watching a good mystery show.
     
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    These hot boys should put a little more load on the motor and quicken the spool :dancingbacon:

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    Simple Tire was having an awesome sale on these, and they've gotten good reviews from a few local people with Jeeps that have them. Less than $600 out the door for all 4!

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    Holy smokes!!!! Those will fit as is?
     
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    Yeah, 265/75 is the max you can run with no lift. The current tires are Hankook DynaPro ATM's in a 265/75. I removed the front mudflap, and trimmed a little bit of plastic from the fender liner since my wheels have a decent backspace and offset to them, so they'd rub at full lock in reverse (backing out of a tight parking spot usually).

    I'll see how these wear, but I'm excited to really see how they make the truck look and perform on our property upstate NY.
     
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    I think people run 255/85 on stock suspension... I am at the 1.75 notch on 5100 but seems like there are people in the 255 thread on stock setups
     
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    Also bravo to maxxis for actually changing the buckshots in this 2.0 unlike bfg haha
     
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    Just reiterating, stock suspension vs 3" lift will clear the same tire. Nothing changed with how much the tire can articulate up into the wheel well. If you never "flex" the suspension you can get away with bigger tires with a lift but once the curbs get bigger you'll rub.
     
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    That's interesting to hear. I know on my old 4Runner with the 22RTE turbo engine the pcv went from the valve cover to the intake tube post MAF and pre turbo. But that's obviously a stock factory turbo setup. I remember still getting some oil vapors in the turbo so I added a small catch can.
     
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