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Turbo BS Thread

Discussion in 'Performance and Tuning' started by Clay_916, Mar 20, 2017.

  1. Jun 23, 2022 at 6:00 AM
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    Good! Got a lot of land out there for fun!

    For me recently, I wired one of my SPAL fans to come on as soon as I turn the blower motor knob on. So nice having A/C as soon as the truck is turned on. Both used to only come on once the thermo-switch got to temp.
     
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    Started the process two days ago, of pulling the bed to check the frame for rust. Clean any off, and prep for welding in DMZ gussets.
     
  3. Jun 24, 2022 at 9:02 PM
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    Yeah when I installed my new condenser I went with the biggest one that would fit. My truck gets cold pretty quick for being a 07 in south Florida summers.

    I do have a question though I think my fan shroud is too close to my radiator. Do you think I should try to run no shroud and just my two spals or should I drill some holes in the shroud and add some flaps?
     
  4. Jun 24, 2022 at 9:05 PM
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    As an update to this, i leaned out the cruise a little and the P0138 hasnt been back the past few days.
     
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  5. Jun 25, 2022 at 5:23 AM
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    Means you found it. Were making the ecu unhappy with the extended trim change.
     
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  6. Jun 25, 2022 at 5:23 AM
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    Got a picture?

    For reference, my Bimmer only has a shroud for the A/C condenser. No longer a shroud on the radiator, due to the size of the fan, and the mounting bracket. It stays in the proper temp range between 194-199, even with a 111° road temp, and 5-10 mph traffic.
     
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    Here is the mount before swapping on the SPAL fan.

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  8. Jun 25, 2022 at 6:05 AM
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    Not sure exactly what your fan/shroud set-up is, but for what it might be worth. for my 3rd gen v6, having deleted the mechanical fan, installed the the big GM var. speed electric fan with Lengenfelter controller; I found that stopped at idle and stop and go in the parking lot, on a hot day, the AC did not work; but i only needed to get going about 20mph, and it was blowing cold nicely, without the fan off (at this time).

    When installing; effort was made to maximize free air thru the radiators, and effort to minimize how often and how hard the fan works, yet keep engine temperatures in a nice range.
    - The electric fan was fitted smoothly within the OE fan guard, with no gaps.
    - The fan shroud was gasketed to the back of the radiator.
    - The fan shroud has flapper vents cut into the OE shroud at the 3 available corners plus one side (cut from the GM shroud and riveted in).
    - The fan (legenfelter controller) sensor was mounted at the bottom hose very close to the radiator, such that it only runs the fan if the T Leaving the radiator is not cooled enough from the free-air alone.
    - Much time was spent forming 1/8" plastic to close all the gaps between the grille and the face of the radiator (plus some sheet foam fillers at holes and hoses), to maximize ram air, so that air that passes the grille, cannot go around the radiator by going under the Rad. or going behind the headlights.
    - Of note, I have a larger radiator, so this means it takes longer for the radiator to warm enough to begin running the fan (why there was no AC in the parking lot). This also minimizes how often the fan runs and minimizes the speed that it runs at (saving electric/gas as at 100% it sucks 70 Amps).

    I am about to install a relay with a resistor in parallel with the sensor, which will be activated by the AC compressor. This resistor will trick the controller to thinking the sensor is about 15 degrees hotter than actual, and run the fan sooner and at a faster speed, with the compressor active. What I learned from the above, is that with this set-up, very little air is needed to get the AC to be effective. It has been suggested that this relay may need to install with a signal that the AC is active, as the fan speed may not react quickly enough for the compressor cycling, time will tell.

    Point being, there are many ways to improve air flow, and I for one believe in increasing free air flow, including the benefit of flapped vents.

    first pic is not the final bolts or rivets, bottom pic shows baffle installed across bottom of the radiator, and one if the lower side baffles, closing off the gap under the Alum. bumper absorber.

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  9. Jun 25, 2022 at 6:42 AM
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    So this is my radiator

    https://www.ebay.com/itm/233240003678

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    I ended up swapping the cheapo fans for some spals that were slightly bigger so I enlarged the holes accordingly.

    I'm really leaning towards adding some flaps as it's really only on the highway is where I see Temps slowly creep up. On the highway doing 70 mph I'm at like 2100 rpm so I feel like it's more of an air flow problem then a load problem

    The ac condenser is far enough infront so I don't suspect that's causing any turbulence.

    My Temps are 197 -202 around town and on the highway it'll slowly creep and will level off at 206.
     
  10. Jun 25, 2022 at 6:48 AM
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    Definitely cut some holes for flaps or at minimum just to vent more air while the vehicle is moving
     
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    I don't know? when the fans are running, the flaps would be sucked closed. So at speed, for flaps to help, would mean the fans are not running, or they are, but do not move enough air. can u tell if the fan is on while you experience this?

    Try, sealing gaps between shroud and radiator on all sides, make sure every bit of air moved by fan, can only have arrived after passing thru the radiator (none from around it).

    Seer if you can remove any obstruction from in front of the radiator.

    I had a van with a 350 once, solved slight overheating by removing every-other tube from the custom grille. This made a huge difference when towing.
     
  12. Jun 25, 2022 at 9:07 AM
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    Yeah that's what I think my next move is. I'll add a flap where I can but I'm also just going to drill out some areas to help.

    My fans are always on and from what I understand the flaps stay closed at low speeds and open allowing the air to bypass the fans at high speed.
     
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    Wind speed while driving will easily push the flaps open. A speed related control would be required if the fans were desired to be off while driving over a certain speed.
     
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    If the electric fan is adequate as slow traffic speeds, then it is certainly adequate at cruising speeds (though possibly not at WOT excessive speeds). I think it is something else.

    Any open holes in the fan guard (without flaps) will dramatically reduce the effectiveness of your fans during low speeds. The holes will allow engine compartment air to re-circulate to the front of the fan; the flaps are a check valve to prevent this re- circulation. The fans move a specific amount of air (varying with induced pressure of vehicle speed), but the fan itself has a fixed capacity for moving air, at any given speed; open holes in the shroud simply means that at low speeds, some of that air capacity will be drawn from the engine compartment (re-circulated), without the benefit of going through the radiator to absorb heat from the coolant!

    The flaps simply open if the pressure on the front side is greater than the pressure on the back side. With the fans running, this is highly unlikely. The Free Air (from forward motion) would need to be pushing more air than the fan will ALLOW; in order for the flaps to open, (fan will ramp up with increase in vehicle speed, as it performs less work; so air thru fan will increase with vehicle speed). The flaps are utilized with a temperature controlled fan, because while the fan is off, it is an obstacle to air flow, reducing available Free-air cooling. The flaps allow venting past the fan, to enable increased free air.

    I'm just not sure this is your problem. What are you using for antifreeze coolant ratio; more concentrated than 50/50? Has the system ever leaked where radiator leak-seal was added? Are there any kinked hoses. Do you have big lights or a light bar added within or in-front-of the grille, that may cause unusual turbulence, that could reduce air through the grill at higher speeds?
     
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    No flaps, no radiator fan shroud, tightly packed engine bay. Damn good fan.

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    Stumbled across this and is a new one for me but old tech. Quick search here didn’t show anything about these particular ones. They are/were actually Toyota OEM on mostly non American soil it looks like.

    Quick search shows this one as the most common and rated just below an Eaton m90 by only a few CC. Apparently doesn’t build a lot of boost, per one website, but is more about the flow rate. ‘A lot of boost’ would be a relative number honestly. This would explain the wide range of displacement it covers. It has an electromagnet in the pulley so an on/off switch or other trigger can be utilized. Conventional and/or smaller pulleys are out there. Would need a mounting bracket and a longer belt but the plumbing should be an easy one. Power wise I’d say it would be on par with the more expensive SCs out there but needs some fab skills to pull off.

    https://itstillruns.com/supercharger-sc14-specifications-8083848.html

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    Reminds me of the SC12/14 on the 4agze.
     
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    Reminds me of the early Mad Max s/c cars. That had the flip switch boost. @Lucario Runner
     

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