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Turning camera on police activities is good thing

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  1. May 27, 2011 at 9:42 AM
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    I found this on NPR, kind of interesting:

    What’s good for the police apparently isn’t good for the people – or so the law enforcement community would have us believe when it comes to surveillance.
    That’s a concise summary of a new trend noted by National Public Radio last week – the trend whereby law enforcement officials have been trying to prevent civilians from using cell phone cameras in public places as a means of deterring police brutality.

    Oddly, the effort – which employs both forcible arrests of videographers and legal proceedings against them – comes at a time when the American Civil Liberties Union reports that “an increasing number of American cities and towns are investing millions of taxpayer dollars in surveillance camera systems.”
    Then again, maybe it’s not odd that the two trends are happening simultaneously.

    Perhaps as more police officers use cameras to monitor every move we make, they are discovering the true power of video to independently document events. And as they see that power, they don’t want it turned against them.
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    Apparently this is what some police officers see when they look at a camera, which explains the horror stories of photographers being harassed by law enforcement for having cameras and making pictures.
    Here’s a closer look at this Canon 16M:
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  2. May 27, 2011 at 9:55 AM
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    never thought about that!
     
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  4. May 27, 2011 at 10:29 AM
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    Filming encounters is a good thing- the cop does his job correctly, he/she has nuthin to worry bout. Ironically, nobody ever stops to film encounters where the bad guy is doing something wrong/giving the cop a hard time- only when it looks like the cop is going too far.

    I think people should be able to film cops all they want- as long as it isn't done in a manner that obstructs the officer/impedes his/her ability to do the job. AndI think cops should all wear cameras on the chest(with audio), so all complaints are easily proven to be true, or bullshit. No he siad, she said.
     
  5. May 27, 2011 at 10:43 AM
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    I agree with you.cameras don't lie.
     
  6. May 27, 2011 at 10:47 AM
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    Cameras also don't tell the truth
     
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    Camera's are so important because they don't lie. It is unconscionable that the law enforcement community attempts to prevent the public recording their actions.

    I recall a certain a home video that captured Los Angeles police officers beating motorist Rodney King in 1991.

    The video can be edited and altered to produce a desired effect and distort the truth if that's what you mean, but video footage does in fact record exactly what transpired at a certain point in time at a certain place. They're extremely valuable for the average citizen.
     
  8. May 27, 2011 at 11:34 AM
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    cameras in public is like abortion, theres no right answer its just all based different views and opinions. thats an interesting twist that some police don't like cameras in public. i can tell you that some do like them because it protects them from false accusations and it reports reality without alteration. with that having been said, you do have to be careful with video when it is not completely shown or edited or it just doesn't film the entire incident and only parts of reality are shown. the best case i can think of as an example would be the rodney king beating. the video shown over and over by our non-biased media does not show the entire incident leading up to the nightstick party. nor was the jury shown the entire video. i think that cameras watching police is a good thing because it keeps things honest but whoever is playing that video is what will probably prove to be the most difficult part to keep honest.
     
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    This is why police departments should go a step further than dash cams, and find a way to equip officers with cameras. Then the police department has its own video that can't be altered by the media.
     
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    We had an officer here in town that had to taze one of it's "seniors" - one who they checked on, on a regular basis.

    Well, said senior was causing a disturbance in a phone store (I think) and the police were called. She kept raising a rucas, and the police were asked to remove her. She wouldn't cooperate and wouldn't get in the police car. Both officers told her DOZENS of times to stop resisting or she would be tazed. She kept acting up so one of them finally tazed her. She finally settled down and got in the police car. (Neither officer wanted to be the one to taze one of their seniors)

    A guy was filming it and the officer saw him and asked if he could get the video if he needed it and the guy said sure... He also said "I don't know why it took you so long to taze her"
     
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    I remember one time..... at band camp. sorry i had to.

    seriously i was running a call once and it was a minor mva. we extricate the pt and take him to the ambulance. while all this is going on there was a guy on the street corner filming everything. not really sure why, it wasn't a bad wreck or lots of blood or anything. but the camera annoyed me. it was like someone watching over my shoulder. i didn't change how i operated it was just annoying. the cops told the guy a couple times that he didn't need to film it and he got all bent out of shape. the video is now on youtube of course and everyone can see that i used proper body mechanics during lifting. haha
    youtube video-- " Fuck Da Bill Of Rights"

    i really dont have a point just telling a little story. oh and im bored at work right now
     
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    How?
     
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    But if that same guy was filming you being robbed or harassed by someone it would be ok.as long as he isn't taunting you or in your face like TMZ I think it's all ok
     
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    The reason it took so long is because they have to deal with after-the-fact commentary on what they did and why-So it makes people super conservative.
    I'm not against the police being recorded-The ones who take it too far will do it anyways and the case will be that much more open and shut. There is plenty of YouTube evidence of that...Stupid ass stuff said/done by cops that people recorded- but the cops did it anyways. What doens't make it to YouTube is the 100's of other police actions that happen with no negative results...or maybe even a positive outcome.
    My only concern is a plethora of video evidence providing even more loop holes for criminals to avoid their due punishment. There are enuf people who get off of DUIs or worse on legal procedure technicalities only to become repeat offenders or escalate their behavior. With video of every police action-Every move any officer makes will be criticised by someone. I see it at work...Every one has thier own technique...so even legal and prudent/professional actions will be called into question. As long as folks understand that....Record away!!
     
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    The thing that is crap is that this is how it goes down.

    Cop vs criminal.

    Criminal does something which warrants a big ol'

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    This doesn't sit well with the Po Po. John Q public goes

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    And whips out his

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    Just in time to see Mr.Criminal get his

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    Then all the cameras see with their "Truthful" lens is a cop beating the shit out of an "Innocent".
     
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    Here's a situation with camera's...what about Oscar Grant? He was shot by an officer while being arrested on New Years in Oakland, CA.

    Because someone was filming and that video it made it to the internet, people saw a white Police Officer just grab his gun and shoot a black kid while the kid was on his stomach. This created riots and crazy shit to come in the city.

    After some time went by and the investigations began, it was found that just two weeks prior, all officers had been issued tasers. Because the taser was required to be on the side that the firearm was currently on, Officers now had to move their firearm to the other side. this was believed to be the driving factor in why the Officer chose the wrong weapon and shot the kid.

    But after all this had gone down the officer basically had hits on his life, and was being tried for possible murder charges.

    This was all from the driving force of what people had seen from the video

    http://youtu.be/bmJukcFzEX4
     
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    The difficult part about a camera is it takes away control of the scene and once the bad is recorded, well. You know the rest.

    In the case of the Oscar Grant case, Johannes Mehserle was tried and convicted of involuntary manslaughter in the shooting death of Oscar Grant.

    In San Francisco, the public defender has released a number of video tapes of officers allegedly doing bad things. The result is that at least 1,000 cases have been dropped by the district attorney. [edit] This does not mean those charges will be dropped forever just that there is some question about the arresting officers and the DA wouldn't be able to try those cases without the officer's integrity being brought into question--they could still be charged at a later date.

    Officers are increasingly coming under scrutiny from various video sources. It's a tough call but if it means the cases brought before juries are tighter and easier to prosecute, then it's a win. But when you have allegations of wrong doing, then the whole justice system becomes suspect--and that just sucks.
     
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    Not sure where you got your info, but no cop would ever move their gun to the 'other side' of their belt, which would mean they'd have to draw it with their week hand. This is just plain untrue. Tazers are usually palced on the oposite side of the gun, and drawn across the body.

    Testimony in the trial confirms this. The defense used an expert witness who testified that the officer didnt have enough practice drawing across his body to develop muscle memory.

    http://www.californiabeat.org/2010/...force-expert-falters-during-cross-examination
     
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    There was actually a bunch of news about the Left and Right story, it's sounds like that had been mixed up by the news media. I see what your saying, there would never be a switch from left to right.

    My Wife and I were actually on that BART car one door down...we ended up watching the news for weeks after just becuase of what we actually saw that night.
     
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