VW caught cheating EPA board. 18 BILLION in possible recalls

Seems like VW wrote a code to purposefully cheat on EPA testing and got caught.

If found guilty they could face $18,000,000,000 in fines.

Issues for all 2009+ 4cyl diesels (golf/jetta ect).

Huge blow to all diesel lovers, VW lovers or anyone with a VAG product.

http://forums.tdiclub.com/showthread.php?t=448053

 

I have two ('12 Golf and '14 Beetle) and it doesn't change how I feel about them one bit. They are still fun to drive and get great mileage. Maybe I should be getting the "sticker" 42 MPG instead of the 49 MPG I actually get, but I am cool with it.

 

Here is the irony of the entire diesel thing. The VW is a small engine it sips fuel a Ford 300+ HP diesel engine is not so in the long run the VW is far cleaner because it dumps far less pollutants into the air over its life time. A gas engine of the same displacement uses more fuel than a VW diesel by at least 30% over its life time it produces more pollutants than the diesel. Diesels and any high compression engine produces a lot of NOX that’s just the way it is but they never look at the overall life time of the engine as a comparison.

 

Lmao, Vag product

 

That is going to hurt, according to the EPA, Volkswagen introduced software to their vehicles that detected Emission Testing and activated 100% efficency of the Emissions Systems while the test took place and then dialled back the Emission Systems when testing was not being done (Normal Driving) which increases the emission of noxious substances, sounds like they are going to get spanked!

 

I had always wondered how VW got away with being the only car manufacturer that didn't use urea injection to meet emissions standards in their diesels. Articles are saying that typical NOx emissions are 40 times higher than allowed.

 

That might change if they recall the cars. This isn't about the sticker mpg. Diesels getting better than advertised mpg is nothing new. This is about emissions

This is the problem with Diesel owners. Which pollutant are you taking about? CO2? NOx? Particulate matter? Unburnt hyrdrocarbons?

Diesel does release less CO2 per joule of energy. That has to do with Diesel having more chemical bonds per liter than gasoline and thus more energy. The more energy in the fuel, the less hydrocarbon chains that are broken to move the car a certain distance, the less CO2 is consumed over said distance. While CO2 is a pollutant in the sense that it contributes heavily to global warming, it is not a component of smog. Hence why places with large cities, like California, don't care as much about it as some of the other pollutants.

However, Diesels release a pile more NOx, particulate matter and unburnt fuel into the environment. NOx is formed more in a Diesel not due to the amount of fuel consumed. The NOx is formed from the air in greater quantities when the temperature in the cylinder is too high. Diesel cylinder temperatures are much higher than gasoline, and hence why so much NOx tends to be formed. Anyways, all those items I mentioned in the first sentence also tend to cause things like smog and poor air quality, on top of there general nastiness to the environment. Hence why Diesels in North America must come with extra emissions equipment.

 

There will not be 18 billon recalls.

From your neighborhood grammar nazi

 

I just find this all funny after all the people here have talked about VW making the perfect Diesel and Toyota could do the same. Maybe Toyota decided to follow the rules

 

This is what I don't get. If they have the emission controls ALREADY INSTALLED, why not have it full time. It's takes work not to.

 

Because then there Diesel would of posted the same poorer mpg numbers and had the poorer reliability as the competitions Diesels with the emission systems turned on.

VW was famous for a long living and fuel sipping Diesel that no one else could seem to replicated quite as well. Now we know why no one else could get there. They weren't playing by the same rules.

 

When I had my STI in Europe it had a total of 3 cats, I had to do emission testing every 2 years and it was OBDII AND an external reader they stuck in the exhaust...so you couldn't cheat the system over the OBDII readings. In it's lifetime I removed 2 cats and replaced it with 100 cel in the downpipe....to my surprise it had the same emission values as before (both OBDII and measured at the exhaust).

There's usually a build in buffer so the values might have only been changed from "very good" to "excellent" in the VW case...it's a little shady and I'm interested to see what their answer will be.

 

http://articles.latimes.com/2012/feb/02/business/la-fi-autos-honda-lawsuit-20120202

I wonder if this will become a class action against VW for mpg similar to this case against Honda (not a class action), outside the epa fines.

Or if VW will just kick money back to owners who bought the car specifically for the mpgs.

 

Most guys I know with diesels do a urea delete mod but emmisions modifications are not really monitored in my area.

 

Filter and Urea delete mods are extremely popular. You gain HP, Torque, MPG, and Engine Life. However, you are also producing the emissions of NOx, fuel, and particulate matter equivalent to a dozen, or more, gas half tons. Especially if the chip you run to turn off the limp mode the truck goes into with all that crap removed runs the engine hot, which makes even more NOx.

 

well technically the effected cars are not street legal anymore...so they need to address the issue and make them street legal

 

They will turn the emissions system to 100% all the time, and begin experiencing the same headaches as everyone else does with the system.

 

If they were clever enough they stated the MPG numbers with the emission system on 100%, if not and that drops they might have to pay $$ to the owners as well because they won't reach the MPG anymore (like Hyundai)

 

Yeah that's what I was talking about.

Since they paid for a car that gets 40/45mpg and the car now gets 30/35 due to intentional things VW did. I'm sure some superpower law offices are shitting themselves with excitment.

Well maybe not that excited but you get the picture

 

By headaches I meant reduced reliability. Modern diesel emissions systems cause reliability issues.