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Was I wrong?

Discussion in 'Off-Topic Discussion' started by usmc0311, May 20, 2011.

  1. May 20, 2011 at 8:08 AM
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    usmc0311

    usmc0311 [OP] Well-Known Member

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    I recently made the mistake of hiring a friend to paint my house, I have a small ranch and when he came to my house he said ya $15an hour and that I would buy the paint because I get a military discount on it, I must mention he is not a professional painter, we are both professional full time firefighters who work opposite days so we do run into each other in the mornings. I knew he was doing odd jobs on the side so i figured he might want to make some extra cash on the side. When he came to my house for an estimate i had told him i don't need it to look like an art museum because in a year or two I will be adding a second floor on. I figured a day to prep the house as far as caulking and some little scraping in some stops that had to me done and 4 days 1 day for each side of the house and maybe a day or two more at most so I was looking to pay him $600 cash for 40hrs and then pay him if he went over that. The first day he showed up at 10-1030am with another guy who was 65-70 years old, they caulked the house and started painting, when I got home from running an errand he had mentioned it would be a good idea to put some crushed stone down at the base of the foundation to stop the moisture from coming up from the mulch to the shingles. I had told him it was a good idea but I can do that later on myself. Day two they show up again 10-1030 paint for a little bit then take lunch, I had called him while i was at the firehouse to see the progress and he said there is a lot of prep work that had to be done but they were on there way home from home depot because they ran out of paint, I was pissed off the bat because if there was so much prep work to be done why wouldn't you continue to prep until I can get the paint in the morning so I can get the discount. My father in-law was home watching my daughter so I had asked him to take a picture and send it to me over the phone, when i got the picture I noticed something at the base of the foundation, zoomed in on the picture and it was crushed stone that he had put down, I called and said "who told you to put the crushed stone down?" and he said no one i just wanted to give you a visual. I told him i am paying you hourly to paint the house not do landscape work, just paint the house. I couldnt believe how little they got done in 2 days, but I guess when you work from 1030 to 330 4 and and take lunch your not gona get much done. I was getting concerned about how much this was going to cost so I had asked him to speed it up a bit and that my wife and I would like a flat rate instead of paying by the hour, so he went home and sent me an invoice which had a fuel charge on it sales tax, and labor for the other guy he had with him and fuel charge (he lives in the state next to ours) which none of these things were agreed to in the beginning also on the bottom of the invoice was a note that said because I was not willing to pay hourly that the $15an hour was void. He sent me email after email stating that he will not accept phone calls from me and that all conversations will be done over email. I got so sick of the emails and 6 invoices that I had told him that I am leaving an envelope in your locker with cash in it for the hours "you" worked which we agreed upon end of story. When I returned to the firehouse for my shift he had left an envelope in my locker with a note attached to it that states "obviously you need this more than I do" and the cash was in there that i had given him. He states that he refuses to put his professional stamp on a house that's just "slap the paint on there" but he has no company name isn't licensed and i was invoice 101 and if you don't know invoices start at 100. If I wanted to pay big money to paint my house I would have hired real painters and they would've been done in 2 days. I just want to know if I was wrong in anyway in how i paid him, I really believe I did the right thing.
     
  2. May 20, 2011 at 8:09 AM
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    NetMonkey

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    wow... i didnt even read that.

    periods and carrage returns are your friends.
     
  3. May 20, 2011 at 8:10 AM
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    Easier to read.

    After reading it, the guy is a dick. You're in the right.

    Seems to me like he tries to make his money on the side by blindsiding people with unprofessional work and seemingly professional bills. Keep the money, you have proof that he doesn't want it so fuck'em and his lazy ass.
     
  4. May 20, 2011 at 8:12 AM
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    hahaha sorry thanks
     
  5. May 20, 2011 at 8:15 AM
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    I think you did the right thing, looks like you wanted to help him out and got screwed.
     
  6. May 20, 2011 at 8:20 AM
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    ouch. your intentions were good. he is clearly in the wrong, if what you said was true. this is just one of those things that can go well, but can often go bad, and when it goes bad, it goes really bad since it can be akward afterwards, or even end friendships. chalk it up to a life lesson.

    probably best to get everything in writing in the beginning next time. or better yet, hire someone you don't know that has references.
     
  7. May 20, 2011 at 8:22 AM
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    I think you did the right thing. Keep the cash, keep the notes and the invoices. Also one question, was the 15 an hour for 5 days on paper or not? Did he just start doing the invoices after you said you wanted a flat rate?
     
  8. May 20, 2011 at 8:24 AM
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    I guess you had no idea that a fellow firefighter could be that much of a douche. Cut him off. I feel bad you have to run across this loser sometimes too. Just remember that HE was the one who ruined the situation. Given the shit he pulled-WTF could you do other than what ya did man:mad:
     
  9. May 20, 2011 at 8:24 AM
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    Yup, thats messed up, I'd have done the exact same thing in your position. I'm a firm believer in doing shit right the first time. If I'm paying someone MY hard earned money i'm not paying them to fuck around.
     
  10. May 20, 2011 at 8:25 AM
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    Wow! You just tried to get your house painted and let a friend do it. Sounds like you're a great friend , I guess you should have paid him by the job instead of the hour. You did nothing wrong , he was totally in the wrong bringing in help without telling you and taking it on himself to do landscaping? I would love to get a side job of painting for $600.
     
  11. May 20, 2011 at 8:31 AM
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    Work between friends is tough. I have a landscaping business and always do a scope of work with a client, friend or no friend. It outlines all my charges up front & the clock starts (if done hourly) when I leave my house. Flat rate is a different story.

    Both the client and I sign it that way everything is out in the open and clear to all parties. Any changes get documented as well in similiar fashion. I do this even when I hire any contractor and anyone worth hiring should/will no have a problem with this. If they do then that is a clear red flag.

    Sorry this happened to you.
    Your friend should adopt better business practices it sounds like.
     
  12. May 20, 2011 at 8:38 AM
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    Yeah, guy is douche. Don't pay him nothing...let him take you to small claims court.
     
  13. May 20, 2011 at 8:44 AM
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    Your buddy is a pecker head
     
  14. May 20, 2011 at 1:16 PM
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    ^I haven't heard that in forever. Nice.
     
  15. May 20, 2011 at 1:23 PM
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    Doesn't sound like you guys were " friends " more like co workers

    No scope of work , no estimates , no contract

    You both fucked it up
     
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