What have you bought in the last 48 hours gun related?

YaboyDB_gen1 · Sep 6, 2021

SalmonTaco said: ↑

Warning rant inbound...

I took my 10.5" AR pistol into my LGS to have a new handguard (and barrel nut) installed and to have my SilencerCo ASR flash hider cranked on there. I don't have a vise and AR blocks and stuff so I brought it in thinking it would be an easy job. It steamrolled into such a mess of shit that I will never spend another dime there. They were my FFL for my suppressors, I've bought at least 4 guns there this year alone.

The gun is an Aero lower that I assembled (no scratches, woot) with a parts kit and PSA completed upper combo. It came with a nickel boron bolt carrier and a EPT trigger and MBUS sights and stuff and was an easy build. It went together and shot fine. It came with a 12" handguard (over the 10.5" barrel) but it had a flash can thing that looked cool and brought the end of the muzzle past the handguard. When I got my Omega 36M (bought from this same FFL) it became apparent that it wasn't going to fit inside the handguard. So I ordered a PSA 9" handguard - of course it had a different barrel nut so I brought my parts in to the gunsmith to have the simple swap done.

They checked my pistol in and called me the next day (fast service) to say it was ready. So I hopped in the truck and rolled the 20 miles to pick it up. When I got there the counter person told me that "the old barrel nut wouldn't budge and that it kinda messed up the threads on my upper receiver. No worries though the gunsmith got it back together and I'm good to go." I found it odd that they didn't let me know of the damage on the phone. I paid the $35 labor charge and took it home thinking I was ready to crank off some suppressed rounds.

Got home and threw my sling back on and put my can on and was getting ready to rock when I noticed my ejection port cover was floppin around like crazy. On closer inspection the port door spring was put back together wrong. Mildly frustrating but everybody makes mistakes, right? So I hop back in the truck 20 miles of highway back to the LGS to have them fix the ejection door spring. Main sales/range instructor dude there grabs my pistol and heads off into the back for a LONG time. He finally comes back and tells me the spring is fixed but the barrel timing is off and they need to check in my pistol to further repair it. So I leave it there and roll.

Several days later I get the call that it is ready once again to be picked up. I ask what they did and get told they replaced my upper receiver with a Wilson Combat and I owed another $75 in parts and $35 more in labor. Once again, in the truck for the trip down to pick it up. I got my old barrel nut and upper back - the keyway on the upper is all fucked and the threads on both are screwed up. No wonder the barrel timing was off. I was ok paying for the upper (would have preferred an Aero Precision, or a phone call with some options) but I told them the additional $35 in labor to re-do their previous job was silly so they didn't charge me the labor. I once again rolled home thinking I was ready to screw on my can and get some lead down range.

At this point I look over my pistol from tip to butt (Garand Thumb reference) as they haven't really made me very confident that "you're good to go" means anything. I look at my optic (a Cabelas AR 3x prism) and notice one mounting screw is shorter and is missing both of its washers. I pull the optic off and find the pic rail cross bolt is broken and the nut has about 3 threads to grip - no room for washers anymore. At this point I'm pretty pissed and hop right back in the truck to go chat about my broken optic.

The counter guy apologizes ("My bad, I was supposed to tell you that the bolt broke") but I insist on talking to the gunsmith. We went into the shop (hadn't ever been back there before) and I asked him about the broken bolt. He blamed it breaking on a shitty design, said he looked around for something that would work but couldn't find anything, and that he could maybe try to fabricate something. I couldn't fathom that dude actually machining a pic rail cross bolt after seeing how bad he fucked up a basic AR. I grabbed my broken optic and gun and took off - time to cut my losses.

I called the owner the next day to share my experience and to let him know why he would never see me in there again. He took zero responsibility for anything and blamed the whole thing on me, saying "you cannot bring us cheap, faulty stuff (which you bought on the internet) for us to fix, then complain when we actually do fix it... but just not to your standards." He told me that they wouldn't work on PSA stuff in the future.

It is pretty sad that my standards (a properly assembled AR) exceed those of my LGS.

Fuck that place forever.

Rant over.
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That is beyond ridiculous! Just spend the money and buy your own tools to work on your guns. I hate that you had to go through that.

Casper66 · Sep 6, 2021

YaboyDB_gen1 said: ↑

That is beyond ridiculous! Just spend the money and buy your own tools to work on your guns. I hate that you had to go through that.
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To me the statement that he bought "cheap stuff from the internet" is a copout but what do I know

YaboyDB_gen1 · Sep 6, 2021

Casper66 said: ↑

To me the statement that he bought "cheap stuff from the internet" is a copout but what do I know
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Yep just trying to put blame on anyone but themselves. Psa has high quality parts for a good price. I personally have 4 psa ar's and literally have had zero issues with any of their products.

montijo505 · Sep 6, 2021

SalmonTaco said: ↑

Warning rant inbound...

I took my 10.5" AR pistol into my LGS to have a new handguard (and barrel nut) installed and to have my SilencerCo ASR flash hider cranked on there. I don't have a vise and AR blocks and stuff so I brought it in thinking it would be an easy job. It steamrolled into such a mess of shit that I will never spend another dime there. They were my FFL for my suppressors, I've bought at least 4 guns there this year alone.

The gun is an Aero lower that I assembled (no scratches, woot) with a parts kit and PSA completed upper combo. It came with a nickel boron bolt carrier and a EPT trigger and MBUS sights and stuff and was an easy build. It went together and shot fine. It came with a 12" handguard (over the 10.5" barrel) but it had a flash can thing that looked cool and brought the end of the muzzle past the handguard. When I got my Omega 36M (bought from this same FFL) it became apparent that it wasn't going to fit inside the handguard. So I ordered a PSA 9" handguard - of course it had a different barrel nut so I brought my parts in to the gunsmith to have the simple swap done.

They checked my pistol in and called me the next day (fast service) to say it was ready. So I hopped in the truck and rolled the 20 miles to pick it up. When I got there the counter person told me that "the old barrel nut wouldn't budge and that it kinda messed up the threads on my upper receiver. No worries though the gunsmith got it back together and I'm good to go." I found it odd that they didn't let me know of the damage on the phone. I paid the $35 labor charge and took it home thinking I was ready to crank off some suppressed rounds.

Got home and threw my sling back on and put my can on and was getting ready to rock when I noticed my ejection port cover was floppin around like crazy. On closer inspection the port door spring was put back together wrong. Mildly frustrating but everybody makes mistakes, right? So I hop back in the truck 20 miles of highway back to the LGS to have them fix the ejection door spring. Main sales/range instructor dude there grabs my pistol and heads off into the back for a LONG time. He finally comes back and tells me the spring is fixed but the barrel timing is off and they need to check in my pistol to further repair it. So I leave it there and roll.

Several days later I get the call that it is ready once again to be picked up. I ask what they did and get told they replaced my upper receiver with a Wilson Combat and I owed another $75 in parts and $35 more in labor. Once again, in the truck for the trip down to pick it up. I got my old barrel nut and upper back - the keyway on the upper is all fucked and the threads on both are screwed up. No wonder the barrel timing was off. I was ok paying for the upper (would have preferred an Aero Precision, or a phone call with some options) but I told them the additional $35 in labor to re-do their previous job was silly so they didn't charge me the labor. I once again rolled home thinking I was ready to screw on my can and get some lead down range.

At this point I look over my pistol from tip to butt (Garand Thumb reference) as they haven't really made me very confident that "you're good to go" means anything. I look at my optic (a Cabelas AR 3x prism) and notice one mounting screw is shorter and is missing both of its washers. I pull the optic off and find the pic rail cross bolt is broken and the nut has about 3 threads to grip - no room for washers anymore. At this point I'm pretty pissed and hop right back in the truck to go chat about my broken optic.

The counter guy apologizes ("My bad, I was supposed to tell you that the bolt broke") but I insist on talking to the gunsmith. We went into the shop (hadn't ever been back there before) and I asked him about the broken bolt. He blamed it breaking on a shitty design, said he looked around for something that would work but couldn't find anything, and that he could maybe try to fabricate something. I couldn't fathom that dude actually machining a pic rail cross bolt after seeing how bad he fucked up a basic AR. I grabbed my broken optic and gun and took off - time to cut my losses.

I called the owner the next day to share my experience and to let him know why he would never see me in there again. He took zero responsibility for anything and blamed the whole thing on me, saying "you cannot bring us cheap, faulty stuff (which you bought on the internet) for us to fix, then complain when we actually do fix it... but just not to your standards." He told me that they wouldn't work on PSA stuff in the future.

It is pretty sad that my standards (a properly assembled AR) exceed those of my LGS.

Fuck that place forever.

Rant over.
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Damn, what a shit show

golfindia · Sep 6, 2021

SalmonTaco said: ↑

Warning rant inbound...

I took my 10.5" AR pistol into my LGS to have a new handguard (and barrel nut) installed and to have my SilencerCo ASR flash hider cranked on there. I don't have a vise and AR blocks and stuff so I brought it in thinking it would be an easy job. It steamrolled into such a mess of shit that I will never spend another dime there. They were my FFL for my suppressors, I've bought at least 4 guns there this year alone.

The gun is an Aero lower that I assembled (no scratches, woot) with a parts kit and PSA completed upper combo. It came with a nickel boron bolt carrier and a EPT trigger and MBUS sights and stuff and was an easy build. It went together and shot fine. It came with a 12" handguard (over the 10.5" barrel) but it had a flash can thing that looked cool and brought the end of the muzzle past the handguard. When I got my Omega 36M (bought from this same FFL) it became apparent that it wasn't going to fit inside the handguard. So I ordered a PSA 9" handguard - of course it had a different barrel nut so I brought my parts in to the gunsmith to have the simple swap done.

They checked my pistol in and called me the next day (fast service) to say it was ready. So I hopped in the truck and rolled the 20 miles to pick it up. When I got there the counter person told me that "the old barrel nut wouldn't budge and that it kinda messed up the threads on my upper receiver. No worries though the gunsmith got it back together and I'm good to go." I found it odd that they didn't let me know of the damage on the phone. I paid the $35 labor charge and took it home thinking I was ready to crank off some suppressed rounds.

Got home and threw my sling back on and put my can on and was getting ready to rock when I noticed my ejection port cover was floppin around like crazy. On closer inspection the port door spring was put back together wrong. Mildly frustrating but everybody makes mistakes, right? So I hop back in the truck 20 miles of highway back to the LGS to have them fix the ejection door spring. Main sales/range instructor dude there grabs my pistol and heads off into the back for a LONG time. He finally comes back and tells me the spring is fixed but the barrel timing is off and they need to check in my pistol to further repair it. So I leave it there and roll.

Several days later I get the call that it is ready once again to be picked up. I ask what they did and get told they replaced my upper receiver with a Wilson Combat and I owed another $75 in parts and $35 more in labor. Once again, in the truck for the trip down to pick it up. I got my old barrel nut and upper back - the keyway on the upper is all fucked and the threads on both are screwed up. No wonder the barrel timing was off. I was ok paying for the upper (would have preferred an Aero Precision, or a phone call with some options) but I told them the additional $35 in labor to re-do their previous job was silly so they didn't charge me the labor. I once again rolled home thinking I was ready to screw on my can and get some lead down range.

At this point I look over my pistol from tip to butt (Garand Thumb reference) as they haven't really made me very confident that "you're good to go" means anything. I look at my optic (a Cabelas AR 3x prism) and notice one mounting screw is shorter and is missing both of its washers. I pull the optic off and find the pic rail cross bolt is broken and the nut has about 3 threads to grip - no room for washers anymore. At this point I'm pretty pissed and hop right back in the truck to go chat about my broken optic.

The counter guy apologizes ("My bad, I was supposed to tell you that the bolt broke") but I insist on talking to the gunsmith. We went into the shop (hadn't ever been back there before) and I asked him about the broken bolt. He blamed it breaking on a shitty design, said he looked around for something that would work but couldn't find anything, and that he could maybe try to fabricate something. I couldn't fathom that dude actually machining a pic rail cross bolt after seeing how bad he fucked up a basic AR. I grabbed my broken optic and gun and took off - time to cut my losses.

I called the owner the next day to share my experience and to let him know why he would never see me in there again. He took zero responsibility for anything and blamed the whole thing on me, saying "you cannot bring us cheap, faulty stuff (which you bought on the internet) for us to fix, then complain when we actually do fix it... but just not to your standards." He told me that they wouldn't work on PSA stuff in the future.

It is pretty sad that my standards (a properly assembled AR) exceed those of my LGS.

Fuck that place forever.

Rant over.
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Always work on your own stuff. The earth is crawling with dipshits.

The list of stuff I do myself because I don't trust others to do it has become very long over the years.

svermilyea · Sep 6, 2021

The only thing I have ever taken my ARs to a gunsmith for was go/no go gaging. After the third build, I bought my own set of gages for 556 and 308

Pablo8 · Sep 6, 2021

Two times I have taken guns, with different problems to two different gunsmiths.

One time the problem was remedied, the other time it was made worse.

BOTH TIMES THE IDIOTS SCRATCHED THE SHIT OUT OF THE GUNS.

My theory is ther no magic to modern gunsmith. All the old guys who gave a shit, died.

JDAM · Sep 6, 2021

SalmonTaco said: ↑

Warning rant inbound...

I took my 10.5" AR pistol into my LGS to have a new handguard (and barrel nut) installed and to have my SilencerCo ASR flash hider cranked on there. I don't have a vise and AR blocks and stuff so I brought it in thinking it would be an easy job. It steamrolled into such a mess of shit that I will never spend another dime there. They were my FFL for my suppressors, I've bought at least 4 guns there this year alone.

The gun is an Aero lower that I assembled (no scratches, woot) with a parts kit and PSA completed upper combo. It came with a nickel boron bolt carrier and a EPT trigger and MBUS sights and stuff and was an easy build. It went together and shot fine. It came with a 12" handguard (over the 10.5" barrel) but it had a flash can thing that looked cool and brought the end of the muzzle past the handguard. When I got my Omega 36M (bought from this same FFL) it became apparent that it wasn't going to fit inside the handguard. So I ordered a PSA 9" handguard - of course it had a different barrel nut so I brought my parts in to the gunsmith to have the simple swap done.

They checked my pistol in and called me the next day (fast service) to say it was ready. So I hopped in the truck and rolled the 20 miles to pick it up. When I got there the counter person told me that "the old barrel nut wouldn't budge and that it kinda messed up the threads on my upper receiver. No worries though the gunsmith got it back together and I'm good to go." I found it odd that they didn't let me know of the damage on the phone. I paid the $35 labor charge and took it home thinking I was ready to crank off some suppressed rounds.

Got home and threw my sling back on and put my can on and was getting ready to rock when I noticed my ejection port cover was floppin around like crazy. On closer inspection the port door spring was put back together wrong. Mildly frustrating but everybody makes mistakes, right? So I hop back in the truck 20 miles of highway back to the LGS to have them fix the ejection door spring. Main sales/range instructor dude there grabs my pistol and heads off into the back for a LONG time. He finally comes back and tells me the spring is fixed but the barrel timing is off and they need to check in my pistol to further repair it. So I leave it there and roll.

Several days later I get the call that it is ready once again to be picked up. I ask what they did and get told they replaced my upper receiver with a Wilson Combat and I owed another $75 in parts and $35 more in labor. Once again, in the truck for the trip down to pick it up. I got my old barrel nut and upper back - the keyway on the upper is all fucked and the threads on both are screwed up. No wonder the barrel timing was off. I was ok paying for the upper (would have preferred an Aero Precision, or a phone call with some options) but I told them the additional $35 in labor to re-do their previous job was silly so they didn't charge me the labor. I once again rolled home thinking I was ready to screw on my can and get some lead down range.

At this point I look over my pistol from tip to butt (Garand Thumb reference) as they haven't really made me very confident that "you're good to go" means anything. I look at my optic (a Cabelas AR 3x prism) and notice one mounting screw is shorter and is missing both of its washers. I pull the optic off and find the pic rail cross bolt is broken and the nut has about 3 threads to grip - no room for washers anymore. At this point I'm pretty pissed and hop right back in the truck to go chat about my broken optic.

The counter guy apologizes ("My bad, I was supposed to tell you that the bolt broke") but I insist on talking to the gunsmith. We went into the shop (hadn't ever been back there before) and I asked him about the broken bolt. He blamed it breaking on a shitty design, said he looked around for something that would work but couldn't find anything, and that he could maybe try to fabricate something. I couldn't fathom that dude actually machining a pic rail cross bolt after seeing how bad he fucked up a basic AR. I grabbed my broken optic and gun and took off - time to cut my losses.

I called the owner the next day to share my experience and to let him know why he would never see me in there again. He took zero responsibility for anything and blamed the whole thing on me, saying "you cannot bring us cheap, faulty stuff (which you bought on the internet) for us to fix, then complain when we actually do fix it... but just not to your standards." He told me that they wouldn't work on PSA stuff in the future.

It is pretty sad that my standards (a properly assembled AR) exceed those of my LGS.

Fuck that place forever.

Rant over.
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damn that's bad.

I recently found out that PSA complete uppers use a barrel nut unlike any others so my armorer's wrench didn't work on it. We took a Knipex to it and it came off(we were fixing barrel clock issue and other stuff). But before doing this work I read a lot of forum posts saying PSA barrel nut is notoriously tight and people were assuming it was red loctite. I had a heat gun and torch ready but this very new PSA came loose easy. It annoyed me I could use my normal armorers wrench though.

I guess my point is did that LGS try to use heat to remove barren nut?

golfindia · Sep 6, 2021

svermilyea said: ↑

The only thing I have ever taken my ARs to a gunsmith for was go/no go gaging. After the third build, I bought my own set of gages for 556 and 308
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What do you do to an AR if headspace is not spec?

auskip07 · Sep 6, 2021

golfindia said: ↑

What do you do to an AR if headspace is not spec?
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you buy a new barrel. in my many builds ive never see that issue.

AK's yeah i buy head space gauges

golfindia · Sep 6, 2021

Pablo8 said: ↑

Two times I have taken guns, with different problems to two different gunsmiths.

One time the problem was remedied, the other time it was made worse.

BOTH TIMES THE IDIOTS SCRATCHED THE SHIT OUT OF THE GUNS.

My theory is ther no magic to modern gunsmith. All the old guys who gave a shit, died.
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There is nothing on an AR that requires a gunsmith.

auskip07 · Sep 6, 2021

golfindia said: ↑

There is nothing on an AR that requires a gunsmith.
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bingo... from a gun building standpoint they are like legos. Stupid easy

SalmonTaco · Sep 6, 2021

YaboyDB_gen1 said: ↑

That is beyond ridiculous! Just spend the money and buy your own tools to work on your guns. I hate that you had to go through that.
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Thanks - lesson learned, I'm investing in tools.

Casper66 said: ↑

To me the statement that he bought "cheap stuff from the internet" is a copout but what do I know
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After dropping $1k+ on a can and buying a couple LCP Maxs' right when they came out for me and Mrs Taco guess I'm still a cheap bastard to them.

YaboyDB_gen1 said: ↑

Yep just trying to put blame on anyone but themselves. Psa has high quality parts for a good price. I personally have 4 psa ar's and literally have had zero issues with any of their products.
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My other PSA AR is sweet. This one worked too, it just turned into a pile of shit somehow.

montijo505 said: ↑

Damn, what a shit show
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Seriously

golfindia said: ↑

Always work on your own stuff. The earth is crawling with dipshits.

The list of stuff I do myself because I don't trust others to do it has become very long over the years.
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Yep. Add this to my list now. I feel like general incompetence is becoming more socially accepted as the norm.

JDAM said: ↑

damn that's bad.

I recently found out that PSA complete uppers use a barrel nut unlike any others so my armorer's wrench didn't work on it. We took a Knipex to it and it came off(we were fixing barrel clock issue and other stuff). But before doing this work I read a lot of forum posts saying PSA barrel nut is notoriously tight and people were assuming it was red loctite. I had a heat gun and torch ready but this very new PSA came loose easy. It annoyed me I could use my normal armorers wrench though.

I guess my point is did that LGS try to use heat to remove barren nut?
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They never mentioned using heat. Even if it was cross threaded they should have just called and said "dude your AR needs parts" and I would have been fine with it. I burned up half a tank of gas dealing with their hamfisted bullshit "gunsmith".

I'll try to post a couple pics of my stuff to see what you guys think.

SalmonTaco · Sep 6, 2021

Oh yeah and I just ordered a couple Esstac shotgun cards a second ago.

Fuckin cheap bastard tho.

svermilyea · Sep 6, 2021

golfindia said: ↑

What do you do to an AR if headspace is not spec?
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The only way I know how is to replace the bolt. Assuming the manufacturer did their job, they headspaced the extension when the barrel was installed, prior to gas port being drilled. I’ve never had an issue with AR15s, but I have had a headspace issues with AR10s. I know buy my bolts from the Sam place as my barrels to eliminate headspace and lockup issues.

golfindia · Sep 6, 2021

svermilyea said: ↑

The only way I know how is to replace the bolt. Assuming the manufacturer did their job, they headspaced the extension when the barrel was installed, prior to gas port being drilled. I’ve never had an issue with AR15s, but I have had a headspace issues with AR10s. I know buy my bolts from the Sam place as my barrels to eliminate headspace and lockup issues.
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Maybe if you bought 25 or 30 bolts. The barrel mfg doesn't make bolts anyway.

My question was mostly rhetorical.

Casper66 · Sep 6, 2021

SalmonTaco said: ↑

Thanks - lesson learned, I'm investing in tools.

After dropping $1k+ on a can and buying a couple LCP Maxs' right when they came out for me and Mrs Taco guess I'm still a cheap bastard to them.

My other PSA AR is sweet. This one worked too, it just turned into a pile of shit somehow.

Seriously

Yep. Add this to my list now. I feel like general incompetence is becoming more socially accepted as the norm.

They never mentioned using heat. Even if it was cross threaded they should have just called and said "dude your AR needs parts" and I would have been fine with it. I burned up half a tank of gas dealing with their hamfisted bullshit "gunsmith".

I'll try to post a couple pics of my stuff to see what you guys think.
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I worked for many years at an archery pro shop. I saw alot of the same elitism with fellow employees looking down on folks that bought stuff online or at Walmart. I never could figure it out. Partially they could have bought from us and had free installations and hve come out cheaper in many cases but I could never talk down to anybody for doing or buying what they did. A guy here in town that owns a machine shop and sells guns will recomend you buy PSA every chance he gets. I don't personally have a PSA but know several who do and I have never heard any complaints

kmwilt · Sep 7, 2021

LGS had a little sale going on yesterday and picked up an Anderson 16" upper w/ no handguard, BCG, or charging handle but for only $120 for the receiver, barrel, break, and gas system I didnt think I got hurt too bad. Also scored 5 Lancer mags for $10 each.

95 taco · Sep 7, 2021

Went ahead and started the process on a Griffin Recce 5 mod 4

MAG GRY TACO15 · Sep 8, 2021

Just picked this up from my FFL. (Free transfer) so I got some mags while I was there.

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