Where do you place your weapons?

I have a modded Sub-2000, 9mm. I have 3 - 33 round Glock mags.
Mods:
Hogue grip
Added a slim cushioned, butt pad
Changed out foregrip
Added angled fore grip handle
Bright LED light with laser(where it’s located when placing my hand on the angled foregrip handle my knuckled easily flips the lever to turn on the flashlight and laser)
Rubberized bolt tube cover
Rubber/foam spacer in bolt tube to reduce what little recoil there is
Eagle eye rear sight
Metal fore-sight

I keep it as iron sights since the light and laser is all I need if even that for home defense, stays next-to-bed-gun.

Gun is well balanced, light, and a self pointing kinda gun feel. Never had a FTE. Love shooting it, like next to nothing recoil. Super accurate within 50ft since that’s the longest shot I could make in the House.
Shot it out on the range, 50, 100 yds on iron sights. Once you figure out the sighting.....it’s right on.
Love the gun.

If I travel besides my CC Walther CCP 9mm, I keep a PS90, 50 rounds 5.7x28mm.....gun used by the Secret Service. Looks weird but ergomically fits well when shouldering, it’s also a self pointing kinda feel gun, recoils like a 22....like nothing.
Bad ass having 50 rounds....

 

There can be some nuances about having a loaded rifle in a vehicle, depending on where you are at..... The solution to that IMO is an AR "pistol". If you don't intend to transport it in the loaded condition, it may as well just be stored in a case.

 

What do you mean by “loaded”, magazine in, one in the chamber, or magazine in only or neither?
Me, if I’m transporting my ‘long gun’, on a trip as backup protection, it’s ready to go, mag in, one in the chamber.

 

For self defense, someone attacking you etc, doesn’t matter if you have a 45, shotgun, AR, AK etc etc.
Anyway as they say, better to be judged by 12 than be carried by 6....

 

From the comments of a few cop friends of mine who have had to testify in these cases: the law doesn't care what you shot 'em with, but the jury might...

I'm with you though. I'd rather make it to trial than not at all.

 

Chambered and mag inserted

 

FYI many states have a hunting/poaching law that makes it illegal to have a round in the chamber on a long-gun in your vehicle. Loaded mag is fine but loaded chamber is a no no unless in a handgun. Know your local laws before you make a mistake that's easily avoidable.

 

I live in Texas.

 

Interesting.
I have 2 cop friends for years, and a SWAT guy I vaguely know at the Federal buildings I work at(of which I can’t CC which is BS). I’ll ask if they have any knowledge of or have heard that in a court of law a jury might be swayed one way or the other depending on what kind of gun smeone used in self defense. I also took my CC class from Charles Cotton, a former Texas DPS officer and now lawyer who wrote 90% of the Texas CC laws and more importantly how those laws are interpreted by the courts, lawyers, juries etc. Charles never mentioned anything about what kind of weapon that was used for self defense would have any bearing on a case. And he cited many.
http://nraontherecord.org/charles-cotton-board-member/

Also took some tactical shooting classes from a former Delta Force member, of Black Hawk Down fame, Paul Howe. He runs CSAT, trains LOE, SWAT, security etc. and us civies.
His take, your handgun is to use so you can get to your long gun.....
Halfway thru his video he mentions California where he grew up....funny.
http://panteao.com/instructors/paul-howe/
He is the real McCoy, badass.

I don’t think I’m any kind of bad ass, I’ll do my best to avoid any confrontation, always looking ahead, extreme prejudice, traveled the world, mostly third world countries, lived abroad....but I did want to learn, train on my weapons, more than just going to the range and putting holes in paper. Frankly I didn’t really do it for my safety....what motivated me more than anything else was my responsibility for my family. We also travel on the road a lot.....trips/vacations. Wanted to be able to do something more than just throwing my cell phone at a bad guy...as self defense.

Again I understand what you mentioned about weapon used, but doubt that would have any real bearing in a self defense case.
Regardless as you mentioned, even if that’s the case, I’ll take my chances ...based on how and what I have trained with....muscle memory.

 

Rounds on target are very important but I’d dare say that in a self defense situation knowing your weapon is primary. Any FTF or FTE and you don’t have rounds downrange. You have an expensive blunt object.

Knowing your weapon is paramount. Lead flying in the general direction of a perp is a good deterrent. No lead = bad day.

 

The only firearm that's accessible to me in my truck (or any vehicle) is the one in my holster (where legally allowed with my CCP of course). All others are in locked cases either in my truck bed (I have a cap) or on the floor of my DCSB. Never felt the need to have quick access to anything else.

 

It's either a good shoot or it's not. If it's not, it won't matter what you used. Went through it with a coroner's inquest. Type of gun never came up.

 

I talked with one of my friends that's a cop in northern VA (admittedly a "bluer" part of VA) last night about it. He elaborated that it really had more to do with potential civil suits. Just imagine some lawyer that can really sell to the jury "he shot poor Timmy with an M16!!! He was a good kid,never hurt anybody"...you've heard the sound clips on the news.

He did say criminally speaking, what you shot him with doesn't matter as long as its legal in the state. But you go yanking your SBR/whatever out to defend against a common road rage driver, and you are gonna face a shitload of questions no matter what. The cops are definitely gonna want to know why you're rolling around with that kinda hardware in your DD.

All that said, my USP .40 or P30SK comes with me almost everywhere. Its what I train with the most, and while I'd love to bust out a long gun if stuff goes down, its harder to conceal walking through Trader Joe's...

 

Also whatever you end up using to defend yourself is going to get confiscated for probably a long time. I'd rather give up my cheap replaceable 870 shotgun than a several thousand dollar MP5 with a thousand dollar suppressor on it.

 

You risk civil suit in everything you do. Get in a wreck with that plate bumper and someone somewhere is going to sue for inflicting more damage than you should have. It's a very low risk. Very few people have been sued for self defense, although it's fun to think of what if's. Use a legal gun with legal ammo. If it's a good shoot, it won't matter how scary looking the gun is.

It's just my opinion and is worth what you paid, but I am married to a lawyer and have personally gone through the self defense shooting process. Much of the BS that CC instructors tell you about what happens after a shoot is just that.

Anyone who carries should have a copy of Andrew Branca's book Law of Self Defense.

 

I CC a couple of different 9mm handguns, Walther CCP and a Kel-etc PF9(lightest 8+1 9mm I have ever carried, not very comfortable to shoot but I don’t use it as a range gun). Depends on where I’m going.
Long trip I throw in my FN PS90, 50 rnds and a few mags, in the backseat area....
https://fnamerica.com/products/rifles/fn-ps90-50-rd/
Why....worse case scenario I need something more than 9 rnds in a hand gun.
Whole lotta reasons I prefer the PS90 to a long gun or shot gun when on a trip.
Starts with it being compact....and a whole lotta rounds.
Most police wouldn’t know what a PS90 is even though it’s carried by the Secret Service.
Don’t give a chit if they were to question me on why I have it since it’s within my legal right to have it.
As for the comment above about CC instructors BS.....not my experience as I also mentioned above about who my CC instructor was, Charles Cotton, and quite sure he trumps your lawyer husband.
And for backup I carry U.S. Law Shield.
https://www.uslawshield.com/

In the mean time, I’ll practice for the bad day I hope never comes. Wife too.
She’s Russian, required class in high school, taking apart and putting back together and shooting AK-47’s.

 

I usually pack 2-3 loaded mags and a 50 box of shells. Beit my XD45 or my g22 its all in the glove box. I also CC my P3AT with a spare 10 round mag in the door pocket.

The same concept of the handgun gets you to your long gun except it is micro and service sized.

 

And a lot harder to hit center mass at 60+ feet.

 

Interesting Reads I joined the USCCA, because you never know, just saying

 

With whom are you prepared to engage at 60+ feet with a long gun?

Is 60’ an earmark or something? If you can’t hit a man sized target at 20 yards you don’t need to CC. Hell, I can hum a piece of gravel 60’ and hit somebody.