would you give up your guns?

The budget is so very much there. I know for instance that a school in South Carolina had 7 vice principles....What the hell does a school need 7 vice principles. On top of that, The recent teacher strike in new york. Those Teachers were making on average $60,000-$70,000 per year, and if you want to break it down. they don't even work a full year. Its ridiculous on how our money is wasted.

 

Why does every one that advocates teachers to be armed and with proper training, they are fully capable of stopping an incident like this? Do you really think at the sound of gun fire the hallways would be flooded with teachers guns blazing ready to drop bodies? Putting someone in that type of situation, nobody knows how the individual will react. Odds are they will hide. What if they walk in to a classroom drop the teacher first? Then what? Give teachers CQB training? Be real. Even civilians that have stock piles of guns would cower and hide. Soldiers do it in combat, why would a teacher or civilian be any different?

Armed guards are great, but when a school cant afford to buy new books or pay a teacher with a masters degree a respectable salary, not sure how you hire guards.

 

My problem is that the day before they were criminals, they were law abiding people.

I used to have a crew of 45 people from Nevada max prison, they looked all pretty much like everyone else. No "M" or "C" stamped on their forehead.

What we need to do is own up to the fact we have unstable people, offer real resources for assistance, be aware of those around us, and accept that some will just flip.

Can't find any short coming with how it was handled at the school issue, and some mighty brave teachers passed doing what they do, protecting our kids.

 

The state of Texas has the castle doctrine (kill any intruder) and #1 for death penalty....Is that any deterent against B&E's or capital offenses? If someone wants to commit a crime like this, they are mentally committed, they plan on going down in a blaze of glory....Armed teachers will not deter it. Why contain a problem by putting up defenses instead of going after the cause?

 

Agreed..

I sat through a murder trial, where the school had a armed guard, when the incident went down, he was on his golf cart head away.

This act pretty much is what our guys face each day over seas, you just can't totally protect from acts like this.

Have not found any gauge or way to determine how a person would react in this situation, except by living it.

Maybe park a vet in each school, but then what are they to do for 99.9999999999% of the time

 

Sorry, but in my opinion, they can't pay them enough. Try leading a room with 30 to 40 kids for even a day, let alone prep for class, and put up with ignorant parents. It's like saying a stay at home mom does nothing all day except watch TV and hang out.

The teachers that died there yesterday, died heroes, and maybe a gun might have helped, but I have had a drive by at my home, you just can not be at ready every moment for something like this.

 

I agree with you on the mental disabilities of individuals. They may not have the reality check of armed teachers, or armed police officers and will most likely not shy away from them. Some instance will never be avoided no matter how many contingencies you or school districts properly place. Those sick people will comment the horrific crime no matter if they have a gun or not. Recently in China a male stabbed 20 something children at a school. Does that mean knives should be banned, Me personally, no.

 

How about making the citizenry of this country go through a forced two year enlistment is which weapons training takes place? It would also give us a chance to find the loose nuts that need to be turned. Works well in other countries.

Hey if you allowed me to carry a gun I would happily become a teacher. My dad was a teacher and a Vietnam Vet. as are a lot of teachers (war veterans) and I am positive they would do well to protect those students too.



Even though who ever the author was, didn't realize Israel is pretty socialist. Part of the reason why this works is because she has most likely spent two years in the military. Trust me the way the Israelis do it, being in the military is far from a prison sentence. They actually have fun.

 

mmmm...about a 1000 lying people on here. you would really go down shooting? funny.

maybe some of you will, but not 1000ish of you.

 

For the people that say we should address the problem not the solution, I saw this on FB today.

 

What if we did? Think about that for a second.

 

This is an idea worth investigating IMO

 

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I am not a huge fan of a forced enlistment. But I do see the benefits, and they are very valid.

The difference is, Israelis also have lived every day of their existence with the full knowledge that there are forces out there that would wipe them from the earth as a people if given the opportunity -- and have nearly succeeded before. That's not a reality we here have had to face here. There are very good rationale as to why they have a forced enlistment to their citizenry. They also deal with things like snipers and mortars and rockets on a near-daily basis.

 

It is interesting idea...Israel, I think the Swiss do it. I've read many of the top brass don't like the idea because you don't get people that want to be there, instead of forced soldiers. Their fear is the quality will go down. Israel has a constant threat that everyone has grown up with, so they are a bit more united on civil defense. Not sure how a draft would go over here.

One thing to consider is the common denominator between all these shootings. A lot appear to be loner, quiet, teens/early 20's, goth, ect....

 

What about the European countries that do this ? It's not just Isreal

 

I didn't attach the photos -- but here's the issue with that:

We live in a free society where the #1 rule of that society is freedom of speech/expression. It is also a capitalistic society. Media delivers the demands of its consumers. If CNN/FOX/NBC didn't report on the events -- another outlet would, and consumers would flock to them.

If you want to change the reporting habits of media outlets -- seek out the outlets that report the way that meshes with your morality, and buy the products and services advertised on their outlets. Do the opposite of those you disagree with.

 

True. I was building off of Sleeper's Israeli comparison.

In general, I feel that having an all-volunteer military is one of the things that makes the US's armed services the best in the world. A desire and eagerness to serve. While we have gone through periods of draft, I am of the opinion that it is what you do in peacetime which matters the most in the service, and that is where we achieve.

I'll have to look into some statistics and policies in the European & Asian countries as to the crime rates and social benefits.

Like I said -- I think the idea carries much merit, but I currently prefer the volunteer military for the reasons stated above. It is worth a healthy consideration, though.

 

But it doesn't need to be regular forces , it could be a militia / reserve force training regime so that you could be a part timer , but get training

I also think that if everyone had to sacrifice even this small amount of their personal time that general attitudes toward the deployment of the regular forces would be less casual

My thoughts on this matter apply to Canada as well

 

I don't disagree with you on any of this. These are extremely valid reasons to look into mandated service.

The largest obstacles I can see are cost. It would cost the government (taxes) a whole lot to train, clothe and house that many people. Perhaps some of that could be offset by performing community services like road building and aid.