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Old 10-18-2013, 06:31 PM   #27281
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FIRE every single BART employee. 12% raise a few months ago wasn't enough..kiss my ass. Most make 3-4x I make. This shit pisses me off.
Give em an inch and they come back wanting a whole fuc*in mile.

Unions were a great idea, but all they have done is protect shitty workers and give workers a sense of over demanding entitlement.

There is no more work ethic, unions don't focus on teaching employees the importance of building and keeping a strong work ethic. People just want shit given to them for little or no work.

Pisses me off.
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Old 10-18-2013, 06:52 PM   #27282
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So long norcal. Truck is packed and I'm off to key west FL. 1st stop is Salt Lake City Utah.
Safe travels!
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Old 10-18-2013, 06:58 PM   #27283
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Give em an inch and they come back wanting a whole fuc*in mile.

Unions were a great idea, but all they have done is protect shitty workers and give workers a sense of over demanding entitlement.

There is no more work ethic, unions don't focus on teaching employees the importance of building and keeping a strong work ethic. People just want shit given to them for little or no work.

Pisses me off.
Exactly!

I'm all for unions when they actually stand for something and don't just try to screw everyone. I know we don't see all the workers, but the ones I do see fucking suck! full of attitude, slow, just all around horrible work ethic. If they tried to work a day ion most our shoes they would be gone before lunch.
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Old 10-18-2013, 07:00 PM   #27284
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FIRE every single BART employee. 12% raise a few months ago wasn't enough..kiss my ass. Most make 3-4x I make. This shit pisses me off.
One of my friends posted this on FB today. Sums up my feeling on the matter nicely.




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Dear BART Workers,

I am a union member and have been since I was about 20.

When I worked at a non-union ambulance company where management screwed labor I personally helped to organize the work force into Local 250 of the SEIU. We sued the employer with the help of the NLRB and we won. The anti-union owner gave up and sold his company to a larger ambulance provider rather then run a union shop.

So, my tendency is to support labor.

But, I cannot support you, Mr./Ms. BART worker about to strike. Not in good conscience.

“The average BART employee is paid $76,551. More then the median household income in San Francisco.“

“The average BART employee is paid far more than transit workers in other systems; $30,000 more than Los Angeles transit employees and $10,000 more per year than employees of San Francisco Muni.“

“Unlike most people with retirement plans, BART employees have never contributed to their pension plans.“

“BART employees only contribute $92 a month towards their health insurance, half the national average for individuals.”

Bottom line: You have not been screwed by management. You have been 'cutting a fat hog' by anyone’s standards (except yours, apparently).

I don’t ride BART to work. So your strike will only inconvenience me peripherally while I commute by car, as I have for 39 years.

I do ride BART to SF Giants games, but their season is over. By the time they are playing again in AT&T Park you all will have been replaced and BART will be running.

If you decide to strike you are all fools. If your leadership is telling you to strike they are fools.

If you strike you will find that the people that do commute via BART will turn their collective backs on you. You will get NO sympathy from them. Most of those people make far less then you do and they rely on YOU to keep their commuter train running on time. When you strike you will take money out of their wallets and food out of their children’s mouths. YOU will be the bad guy, not management.

You are all replaceable. So am I.

Wise up and be happy to have a well paying job with good benefits. Don’t be a foolish lemming and follow your leaders off the cliff.
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Old 10-18-2013, 07:08 PM   #27285
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So long norcal. Truck is packed and I'm off to key west FL. 1st stop is Salt Lake City Utah.
It was fun to meet and wheel with you! Have a safe drive!
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Old 10-18-2013, 07:11 PM   #27286
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So long norcal. Truck is packed and I'm off to key west FL. 1st stop is Salt Lake City Utah.
Take care man and be safe! Was a pleasure meeting you and I hope you have good time in Florida!
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Old 10-18-2013, 09:40 PM   #27287
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Old 10-18-2013, 10:08 PM   #27288
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FIRE every single BART employee. 12% raise a few months ago wasn't enough..kiss my ass. Most make 3-4x I make. This shit pisses me off.
Fuggem All!!! I have 37% decrease in pay in last couple months with a massive restructure going on... I would love a steady 12% increase and their awesome benefits
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Old 10-18-2013, 10:38 PM   #27289
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Ian - that's so spot on! What BART needs to do is invest in the technology of making the trains automated and get rid of those damn greedy workers
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Old 10-18-2013, 10:44 PM   #27290
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Ian - that's so spot on! What BART needs to do is invest in the technology of making the trains automated and get rid of those damn greedy workers
No idea if automation is the answer but damn, those guys are greedy!
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Old 10-18-2013, 11:05 PM   #27291
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Angel - great to meet you while you were here. Have fun in FL
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Old 10-19-2013, 12:25 AM   #27293
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Might have seen JLUU crossing San Tomas today around 5. Hard to miss the FJ.
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it was his bday the other day. HBD Jon!
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So long norcal. Truck is packed and I'm off to key west FL. 1st stop is Salt Lake City Utah.
It was good to meet ya Angel. Safe travels
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Give em an inch and they come back wanting a whole fuc*in mile.

Unions were a great idea, but all they have done is protect shitty workers and give workers a sense of over demanding entitlement.

There is no more work ethic, unions don't focus on teaching employees the importance of building and keeping a strong work ethic. People just want shit given to them for little or no work.


Pisses me off.
I am a union member in a skilled trade.

My union has a good relationship with the employers who hire us, as roughly 75% of the entire trade in this country is union.

My union has a 1 year probationary period where an employer or the union can fire you for any reason what so ever, with no explanation. If you don't work your ass off, you're toast.


After that probationary period, if work slows down and companies lay people off, the people who get picked for work are picked by hand based on merit. If you don't work your ass off, you don't have a job.

We have a 4 year training program that is mandatory, with something like 500 class hours and 6,000 on-the-job training hours, before becoming a journeyman, as well as continuing education every year, for every member.


So to say that unions do nothing but protect shitty workers is bullshit. My union is small, 25,000 members in the US and Canada, and has negotiated very good benefits and compensation for our trade because the union weeds out bad apples who want everything for nothing, before they ever start work.

Unions can absolutely be a good thing for both employees and employers.

Just because I'm in a union, does not mean I'm the same as these fuckfaces from BART.

I support other unions in general, and the company I work for has contracts for new installs at BART, but they use their own technicians who are not in my union to do what is essentially my unions' work, for way less money and an obvious huge disparity in quality of work.

Bart made my commute going home increase by about 2 hours with this most recent strike. They're not winning people over with this shit.

As a member of a union, I support the cause, but think that both sides need to ACTUALLY negotiate.

As a commuter and occasional Bart rider, who's had some less than ideal interactions with BART employees, fuck 'em. (Except the cops, They're still working through this shit.)
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