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Alignment, Caster, Clearance, and Driving Report with Light Racing UCAs

Discussion in 'Suspension' started by bjmoose, May 24, 2011.

  1. May 3, 2012 at 7:45 PM
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    As close to 3* of caster with toe and camber around 0

    I set mine like most guys on TW....LR UCAs at neutral (SPC logo facing out)

    The SPC site has an FAQ with tips to help you with clearance issues if you are running larger tires.
     
  2. May 4, 2012 at 11:29 AM
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    Thanks. That's what I'm going to have it set to.
     
  3. Jul 29, 2012 at 8:47 AM
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    Hey guys, nice write up moose. I need some input. I'm having the exact same rubbing issue with mine. I'm going back to the shop this week to have them re-align. I installed them at the neutral setting, and I'm pretty sure they adjusted them to the 3*.. which Is causing my rubbing. When I go in, is there anything I should say specifically? Or will they know what to do? Thanks.
     
  4. Jan 25, 2013 at 12:17 PM
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    Anyone have problems using LR UCAs with long travel coilovers? I'm putting together a Fox package at DSM and I'd like to use a BJ UCA, Sonny mentioned that there may be issues using a BJ with a long travel shock.
     
  5. Jan 25, 2013 at 12:41 PM
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    You might want to try the midtravel BS thread. I also found something from LR themselves.
    Originally Posted by LIGHT RACING LAB [​IMG]
    ToledoFJ called us and let us know this thread was flowing. Here are a few deign points on our Upper Control Arms you all might be interested in knowing:
    • Our Upper Control Arms were designed work with a wide range of coilover shocks; from the stock Toyota units to long travel aftermarket shocks similar to the Light Racing or Icon units. This includes shocks that allow for a slight increase in droop travel.
    • The increased travel was accommodated by using a ball joint with a higher range of travel. The stock Toyota ball joint has a 77° included angle (or 38.5° off centerline). Our design allows for a 90° included angle (or 45 ° off centerline. A spherical bearing (monoball) with high angularity inserts rarely has more than a 35° included angle. The angle of the ball joint plate is optimized for this increased ball joint travel.
    • The sliding off-set ball joint that we use allows for a huge range of alignment adjustment rather than designing an arm with a static off-set and relying on the Lower Control Arm cam bolts for adjustment. This means the camber of our arm can be adjusted to the stock upper control arm geometry or it can be adjusted for proper camber in a 4” lifted vehicle. The caster can also be adjusted from stock numbers up to a 4° increase in caster for better high speed stability.
    • Using a standard ball joint (instead of a monoball) and molded rubber inner pivots (instead of urethane) gives better ride quality, better longevity, lower maintenance, and quiet operation.
    • We as a company have 30 years experience designing ball joints for aftermarket and OEM use. The design and quality of the ball joints used on these arms is top notch.
    • Our arms are coated using E-coating. This is a process where the coating is electro-statically grown on the part. This is used for many OEM suspension components and gives superior corrosion protection to zinc plating, paint, or powdercoating.
    I will check this thread a few more times over the next couple of weeks and answer what questions I can. For other questions please call our customer service department at (800)525-6505.
     
  6. Jan 25, 2013 at 12:46 PM
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    Thanks for your help. I thought I'd read something like that from LR but I've been reading so much I wasn't sure if that was the case.

    Sonny just called up LR and was told there shouldn't be a problem using their UCAs with a long travel coilover as I want to do. I'm very impressed with DSM and if I can work it out to buy the UCAs through them, I will.
     
  8. Jan 26, 2013 at 5:32 PM
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    Subd. I have to rebuild my UCAs in the very near future and I need to get reacquainted with how these work
     
  10. Feb 27, 2013 at 12:37 AM
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    Hay I'm installing these uca this weekend and was wondering if u had a picture of how u got ur arms set to what u said. Like witch direction is the SPC loggo facing I'm having a had figureing out how set them.
     
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    I thought this would be a good place to pass along an installation note I received from Headstrong Off-Road:

    "I just spoke with the sales manager at SPC and according to him you have received their latest and greatest Light Racing UCAs. The minor change made incorporates the use of longer sleeves which means assembly now only requires the use of the 4 large washers rather than 4 large and 4 small. The instructions you have received with your kit will indicate this however by accident the 4 small washers were included. That said you can discard the 4 small washers as they are no longer needed."

    If you just received a set of LR UCAs, you may want to check to see if this applies to them.
     
  13. Mar 5, 2013 at 8:00 AM
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    Firestone got it right this time...am very pleased. Caster 3.0, camber and toe 0......Ride is perfect. Thanks for all the info on here guys.

    One complaint with the LR UCA's that i have is the E coating. 8 months on the truck now and i have a little rust on the passenger side. Northeast weather i guess. Salt and road treating sucks.
     
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    Just had icon extended travel suspension installed with 16x8 wheels and 285 tires. Don't mind doing the body mount chop, but want to make sure that I get the the most clearance I can. Bringing my truck back to the shop on Wed for a few odds and ends but this post should help me atleast ask slightly more inteligent questions about the alignment. Thanks to the OP.

    Subd
     
  15. Apr 26, 2013 at 2:59 PM
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    So how do you know how far to slide the top part in or out? You just set it down off the jacks and tighten it up?
     
  16. Apr 26, 2013 at 7:11 PM
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    I assume you are referring to the ball joint and camber. I put a level on mine unloaded, tightened it, put it in the ground, drove it and checked it again. Most guys just pull it all the way out towards the tire and tighten it. Ultimately I trusted the alignment shop to fine tune it.
     
  17. May 1, 2013 at 7:06 PM
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    Hey all, I’ve tried everything I can think of from what I’ve read here and I still can’t get rid of my tire rub. I just finished my lift Sunday and got my second alignment tonight, still rubbing the tires on the back of the front fenders during full turns in either direction. Why? Yes, I’m still running my factory mud flaps and I intend to keep them. I like them and they serve a purpose. I am having a tough time accepting that I HAVE to remove the mud for a 265/75 tire. Oh right, I spoke to a great guy at SPC today and confirmed through him, "more caster means more clearance." I do have less rubbing with more caster, but still rubbing for some reason. Hopefully some of you can identify what I am doing wrong here.



    My specs are listed below:



    2012 Tacoma TRD Off Road DCSB
    ToyTec coil overs adjusted to about 2”
    Light Racing UCA’s set to +2deg additional caster (“D” setting on the chart for your other LR users)
    ICON AAL in rear
    Goodyear Duratrac 265/75-16 (they are big for their size, but not that big)
    Spidertrax and stock TRD Off Road wheels.

    1st alignment (left me with rubbing while turning and bump steer)
    -0.2 Camber -0.2
    2.7 Caster 2.7
    0.01 Toe 0.04

    2nd alignment: (I requested more caster to remove bump steering and rubbing)
    -0.2 Camber -0.3
    3.7 Caster 3.3
    0.03 Toe 0.04

    The bump steer is better and the truck drives pretty well, but I’m still rubbing. Mainly rubbing while turning in reverse, but I have to drive more before I decide if the rubbing in DRIVE is still present. So……what next???? My factory caster is maxed out, but I can still adjust star plate on the UCA’s for more caster before I go back if need be. Thanks, you all are great.
     
  18. May 1, 2013 at 7:07 PM
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    Lose the wheel spacers
     
  19. May 1, 2013 at 7:11 PM
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    Nice save OZ, before I could answer "YES stock wheels," it was gone. Ha. OK, but the Duratracs are very close to the spindles (right term on a 4wd?) and I like the off set from the spacers. I will for sure give it a try though. Easy fix if it works. So does that mean after market rims with more back spacing will cause me to rub as well?
     
  20. May 1, 2013 at 7:14 PM
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    I run 275/70/17 on stock wheels without wheel spacers and do not contact the spindles or the UCA

    and yes , pushing the wheel out can cause more rubbing in the inner fender or cab mount
     
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