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Are these spring done?

Discussion in 'Suspension' started by GOLFMAN845, Nov 12, 2010.

  1. Nov 12, 2010 at 12:52 PM
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    GOLFMAN845

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    Okay so this is my first post. Please forgive me if I ramble on. I am just looking for some help. I have spent well over 2 days looking at this site and thought I should pose the question. So here goes I have an 02 DC 4x4 seems like it is sitting lower than it should, tires rub when making sharp turns and over bumps. Took it in to have it balanced and alignment guy said I needed new struts on the front. Gave me a ridiculous quote with some socks I have never heard of before, and I said no thanks. But we did find that the tires where way out of balance, hard to believe since they wheels and tires had less than 5k on them. 2 were about an ounce off, another 3 ounces and one was 9 ounces off. I got the wheels from wheelers off-road, 16" black alloy. Anyone else have them or have problems like that? Anyway back struts, which got me thinking if I am going to replace the front I might as well do that back as well. I crawled underneath and noticed my leaf springs don't look all that great. I bought the truck 20,000 miles ago, now has 122,000. Not sure what they should look like. Any help would be great!

    Thanks!
    Golfman

    *** EDIT*** Additional questions

    Okay so now I know what needs to be done. New Front Coils with shocks, new rear leafs and shocks.

    Now what to put in. I am thinking along the lines of lifting a little:

    5 leaf pack to provide 1.5" not sure what kind yet?

    OME front coils not sure which ones yet. 880's or 881's, I have a 2002 Double Cab.

    Thinking Bilstein 5100's all around.

    Any suggestions other than that?

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  2. Nov 12, 2010 at 12:54 PM
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    danteisme

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    hard to tell at that picture angle, but they kinda look like they are starting to arch the wrong direction
     
  3. Nov 12, 2010 at 12:55 PM
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    They look pretty flat to me...I think you'd notice a big change with an upgrade.
     
  4. Nov 12, 2010 at 12:58 PM
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    I lost track thousands of dollars ago.
    x2 there starting to have a negative arch I don't know about shot but you might want to look into replacing them soon.
     
  5. Nov 12, 2010 at 1:18 PM
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    GOLFMAN845

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    That's what I was thinking. I called the local Spring Shop here is St. Louis, and they told me they can not re-arch Toyota Springs b/c they are Metric Steel, but they could add a leaf. But wouldn't adding a leaf give it more lift than stock? I want to put the Billy 5100's on the front, to level it at stock height. I read if you go the full 2" with them the ride is rough. I want it to be a little smoother than it is now. I am pretty sure the front shocks are completely shot, because I feel every bump.
     
  6. Nov 12, 2010 at 1:36 PM
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    I'd just replace the entire spring pack.
     
  7. Nov 12, 2010 at 1:42 PM
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    Those springs are definitely done! They have a reverse arch in them! No Bueno!:eek:
     
  8. Nov 12, 2010 at 1:49 PM
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    This may be a dumb question, but what causes that to happen? I have owned many vehicles with leaf springs and never experienced anything of the sort.
     
  9. Nov 12, 2010 at 2:00 PM
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  10. Nov 12, 2010 at 2:36 PM
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    I am pretty sure it is because of the type of metal used. Local spring shop said that Toyota Springs can not be re-arched because they are Metric Steel. Not sure what that means, but I am guessing it is pretty weak. I have read in other post that Toyota made them for comfort ride, rather than a traditional truck ride. Which seems like a mistake on Toyota's end.
     
  11. Nov 14, 2010 at 10:49 AM
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    Anyone have suggestions on Rear Replacement Leaf Springs, for a good price. Also what are the thoughts on lifting 1.5", I want to add Bilstein 5100's to the front, at the middle setting. Which would look better stock leaf spring height or +1.5", with the setting on the front shocks?

    Here are the front coils still good?

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    Thanks,
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  12. Nov 14, 2010 at 3:53 PM
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    Front springs look pretty done too. We don't get the best springs from the factory.
     
  13. Nov 14, 2010 at 3:58 PM
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    The front is shot as well as the rear.
     
  14. Nov 14, 2010 at 8:35 PM
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    1st gen Tacos are notorious for having weak leaf packs. I swapped out the entire suspension earlier this year because of the crappy leafs and couldn't be happier now.

    I might suggest you both do some reading...

    http://www.tacomaworld.com/forum/gr...heelers-offroad-1st-gen-leaf-replacement.html

    http://www.tacomaworld.com/forum/suspension/83863-1st-gen-needs-suspension-upgrades-asap.html

    http://www.tacomaworld.com/forum/1st-gen-tacomas/120541-wheelers-5-leaf-thumbs-up-down.html

    Doing an AAL might buy you some time, replacing the packs with something aftermarket like Wheeler's/Alcan packs will solve the problem for good. There are a few options out there, depending on your needs and budget, just got to find the right combo for your truck.
     
  15. Nov 15, 2010 at 8:10 AM
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    Does anyone think that if the shocks are replaced that the spring will not be so compressed?


     
  16. Nov 15, 2010 at 2:00 PM
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    No. Springs hold up the truck, shocks just control bounce. So if you only replace the shocks, the truck's weight will push down until the spring stops compressing. And it will look pretty much the same.

    If you haven't done so, please read the links Lisa provided below. There is a reason why so many of us 100k mile 1st gens now run the same aftermarket suspension setup.

     
  17. Nov 16, 2010 at 1:37 PM
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    Okay so now I know what needs to be done. New Front Coils with shocks, new rear leafs and shocks.

    Now what to put on. I am thinking along the lines of lifting a little:

    5 leaf pack to provide 1.5" not sure what kind yet?

    OME front coils not sure which ones yet. 880's or 881's, I have a 2002 Double Cab. What do you all think?

    Thinking Bilstein 5100's all around.

    Would like not to spend a fortune. So on some what of a budget. Truck doesn't see much if any off roading, hauls a once a year load of fire food and that about it.

    Any suggestions other than that?

    **** UPDATE INFO****
    Talked to my local parts store, they can get me the Stock Off Road Coils for $74.09 for the set. Sounds like a good deal to me but if I go with the 1.5" lift with the leafs, I don't want to set the 5100's at max because of the ride. So would the middle setting give me a big rake?
     
  18. Nov 16, 2010 at 1:40 PM
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    If you go with the same set up that I have you will get about 2" of lift - at least that's what I got out of it. As far as cost goes, expect somewhere in the ballpark of $1000 for everything - and thats parts only.
     
  19. Nov 16, 2010 at 1:51 PM
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    Quoted for truth. The 881 coils give you lift with the 5100s at their lowest setting. I also got about 2" with just the right amount of rake.
     
  20. Nov 16, 2010 at 4:45 PM
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    Hey was looking at your build page. Noticed you measured your height. What where you before? Because yours looks like it sits higher stock than mine does. Here are my measurements:
    Driver Front - 34 3/4"
    Pass Front - 35 1/4"
    Driver Rear - 35 5/8"
    Pass Rear - 36 1/4"

    What height did you end up at too?

    Wheeler's suggest the 882's for the double cab, but it also says its a firm ride and doesn't say how much lift.
     
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