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Lots of tree pinstriping happened today...

Discussion in 'Detailing' started by pearing, May 4, 2021.

  1. May 4, 2021 at 6:46 PM
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    I am an old school painter and still have my makita buffer and some old lambs wool pads. What is the the latest greatest pad style for buffing scratches and type of polish? There has to have been some improvements in the last twenty plus years...

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    All I can add is newer Toyota trucks have very thin clear coat. Will burn easy.
     
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  4. May 4, 2021 at 8:32 PM
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    Assuming you have a rotary, not sure the size: Pads are kind of a preference thing as to which type, usually all the main materials foam, wool or microfiber can range from no cut to very heavy cutting.

    Polishes are nearly endless in range of no cut to heavy cutting as well. Griots, 3D, Sonax, Menzerna all good choices. Autogeek usually runs a 20-25% off sale quite regularly, Some only last half the day, others 24 hours.
     
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  5. May 5, 2021 at 4:20 AM
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    Thanks for the response-I guess my biggest concern are running a courser compound and then not getting the swirls out. I need to cut a bit to get the scratches, but don't want to loose the glass... So the foam pads are like the wool in that you have different ones for cutting and polishing. okay, I will go look and see what is what. This was helpful.
     
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    I use Buff and Shine's Uro-Fiber Microfiber pads on my 2008 and our 2015 Dodge Dakota. They are a little more aggressive than foam pads, but do a great job of both cutting and polishing the clear coat. I also use 3D One as the one-step polishing compound.

    https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0725JT16D/?coliid=I2KK44C7YDDX5I&colid=1YIKWYWWMCTE1&ref_=lv_ov_lig_dp_it
     
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    I'd be careful comparing wool pads to foam. Yes, there are different levels of cut in both, but in my experience, wool cuts a lot faster. And a rotary with an aggressive pad is a great way to create a Delorean in short order if you don't know what you're doing. (As an aside, I only use wool pads and my rotary on fiberglass boats.)

    Getting back to your original question on attempting to remove desert pinstriping on Toyota paint, here's my random thoughts. First, if you can feel a given scratch with your fingernail, it's going to be next to impossible to completely remove. (You can certainly minimize it though.) Second, start with a less aggressive product and pad first, see what the combination does, then alter variables as you see fit. With Toyota paint, be careful not to generate too much heat or you'll have a whole new mess to deal with. Finally, I've had very good luck with Chemical Guys Hex Logic Cutting pads and 3D One or Menzerna 400 for situations like you are experiencing. The Menzerna cuts better, but the 3D One finishes out better.
     
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    I prefer to use foam pads. What’s nice is the foam pads come in different densities. Let’s say 1-5. 1= soft 5= very firm. You can take a course polishing compound and depending on which pad you use can make it cut quickly or more slowly and vise versa you can take a finishing compound and use it a a firm pad and have it take a bit heavier mark out but not eat up as much clear. It’s a very good way to fine tune your polishing needs. Personally I use Griots products very easy to use and quality products in my opinion.
     
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    What stood out to you about the B & S microfiber pad and 3D One?

    Just order B&S pad, Haven't received it yet.

    Want to try out One for awhile now.
     
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    Im a big beleiver in the Hex Logic foam pads from Chemical Guys. I also use there compounds and polishes. Not terribly expensive and do a great job for me.
     
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    I ordered some. Excited to try them out. Thanks for the input
     
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    As I mentioned in my post, I too use and love the Hex Logic pads. I will offer that they do break down relatively quickly though - if you use them a lot. I get about 10 vehicles out of the Cutting pads before they start to soften up and lose their cutting ability.
     
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    One of the detailing channels I follow on You Tube ( Apex Detail) recommends this combo for 1-step paint corrections. The pad has both cutting and polishing fibers (hence the name 50/50), and 3D One has diminishing abrasives. As you use the product, the abrasive particles begin to break down into smaller sizes and go from cutting to polishing in one process. It's also very user friendly. It doesn't dry out as you use it, and it's easy to wipe off the residue. 3D has been in the auto detailing industry for a very long time and has a great reputation.

    Apex Detail is one of the top detailing channels on You Tube, and he does a lot of product demos and comparisons, so if he recommends products, I personally believe what he's saying.
     
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    I've used 3D One for over a year now and I really, really like it. The beauty of it is that one product can be used for almost anything from pretty serious correction down to final / finishing polishing. All you do it step down to a softer pad as you go. Another great thing is absolutely zero dust.
     
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    I watch Brian's video a lot.

    How's 3D One on soft, finicky clear coat?

    What's your experience with 3D One when working in direct sunlight?

    I've been using Meguiar's M105/205, non diminishing abrasives. Is there a learning curve when using diminishing abrasives?
     
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    I'll ask you the same questions to get different user opinions.

    What's is your experience with 3D One using it in direct sunlight?

    How's 3D One on soft, finicky clear coat?

    I've been using Meguiar's M105/205, non diminishing abrasives. Is there a learning curve when using diminishing abrasives?
     
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    Let me see if I can answer your questions. First, I haven't used 3D One much in direct sunlight. The one (2016 Black Tundra) that I did in direct sunlight turned out awesome.
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    As for 3D One on soft, finicky clear coat, I haven't run into any clear coat yet that doesn't tolerate it just fine. As with any polish - and any finish - go with the least aggressive process first. For 3D One, that means starting with a softer pad, then moving up as needed. For instance, here's a 2019 Camry with truly abysmal body shop paint on the right rear quarter panel that they wanted to see if I could make it look a little better. How's this for truly awful?

    IMG_1899%5B1%5D_7d664e5066474c09444c1ad9d1c32822578d93dc.jpg

    Here's that same quarter panel 30 minutes later after one pass with Menzerna 400 on a Rupes Blue Cutting pad, then multiple passes with 3D One on a Hex Logic Cutting pad on my Flex 3401. Yea, I hit it pretty hard, but the 3D One finishes out really well.

    IMG_1910%5B1%5D_8b80385e3a04007f5ddcf06646374449c72429ef.jpg

    I used to use M105, then abandoned it in favor of M101. The M105 just caked and dusted way too much for my liking. I still use M205 for a finish polish on a fairly regular basis. I no longer use even the M101 because it was just too much of a PITA compared to 3D One and / or my current favorite heavy cutting polish - Menzerna 400.

    As for a learning curve on 3D One, it's pretty simple. It'll cut for as long as you can polish and you'll wear out before it does.
     
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    I correcting a black Rav4. I have to use a black Lake Country finishing pad. If not there will be marring, buffer trails, ETC. I tried 5 different microfiber cloths to see which one produce no marring.

    In the direct sun, at 60 degrees heat the M205 will leave a buffer trail behind that is difficult to remove. I then have to wash the SUV to remove everything. My guess is the cold water cools down the panel, to wipe everything off clean.

    My neighbor does a lot worst than that and he think it looks great. A local autobody shop produce the same kind of work but in there eyes it a master piece.

    Since I don't own a Flex I have to use a rotary polisher. Someone I know, once told me that I get rotary like correction with my Porter Cable 7424.

    How does the 3D One competes against the Menzerna 400 with the same pad, machine, same type of paint? A side by side comparison.

    After you wrote in another thread that you abandoned M105 for M101 I decided to give it a try. I also abandoned M105, but still use it on occasions.

    Cut wise, how does 3D One compares to M105 with the same pad?
     
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