TPMS question

KrnTaco08 · Feb 18, 2018

Hi,

I’m getting ready to install my new SCS Ray 10s and tires on my 17 TRD OR.

I want to purchase a set of TPMS sensors for the Ray 10s. Where is a good place to buy them or am I just wasting my money?

I just want to leave the TPMS sensors on the OR rims and not mess with em’.

Any input will help. Thank you.

PacoDevo · Feb 19, 2018

@gunny1005.......just ordered mine last week $55+ each

Should add, they are genuine Toyota OEM ones.

Tiedie · Feb 18, 2018

KrnTaco08[OP] initial post: ↑

Hi,

I’m getting ready to install my new SCS Ray 10s and tires on my 17 TRD OR.

I want to purchase a set of TPMS sensors for the Ray 10s. Where is a good place to buy them or am I just wasting my money?

I just want to leave the TPMS sensors on the OR rims and not mess with em’.

Any input will help. Thank you.
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Do you have stock steel wheels?

KrnTaco08 · Feb 18, 2018

@Tiedie Whatever the 17 TRD OR wheels are that’s what I have.

Tiedie · Feb 18, 2018

Aluminum Wheels than it is so just have them move old sensors to new wheels.

WOTaco · Feb 18, 2018

I'm in the same boat. Using a set of winter tires/ on OEM wheels right now but have a set of summer wheels and need TPMS for them. I want my OEM set cloned so that I can swap wheels without any reprogramming. I took the codes off my OEM sensors when I put the winter tires on because I read that you could order a set of the EZ sensors pre-programmed (cloned). I thought these would work but called Tire Rack and Discount Tire both said they don't have one listed for my vehicle.

http://www.schraderinternational.co...-Schrader-EZ-sensored61.html?sc_lang=en-US-NA

Tiedie · Feb 18, 2018

Tiedie said: ↑

Do you have stock steel wheels?
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Tiedie said: ↑

Aluminum Wheels than it is so just have them move old sensors to new wheels.
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I'm answering my own questions to you. Go to Rockauto and buy the TPMS sensors for the Aluminum wheels
TOYOTA 2017 TACOMA 3.5L V6 Wheel Tire Pressure Monitoring System (TPMS) Sensor
$41.89 each

WOTaco said: ↑

I'm in the same boat. Using a set of winter tires/ on OEM wheels right now but have a set of summer wheels and need TPMS for them. I want my OEM set cloned so that I can swap wheels without any reprogramming. I took the codes off my OEM sensors when I put the winter tires on because I read that you could order a set of the EZ sensors pre-programmed (cloned). I thought these would work but called Tire Rack and Discount Tire both said they don't have one listed for my vehicle.

And WOTaco
http://www.schraderinternational.co...-Schrader-EZ-sensored61.html?sc_lang=en-US-NA
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You can only program 1 set at a time

WOTaco · Feb 18, 2018

You can only program 1 set at a time[/QUOTE]

Please elaborate. If you clone your OEM sensors then the truck will read whichever set is one the vehicle and rotating. It would not know there are 8 of the same sensors in existence.

KrnTaco08 · Feb 18, 2018

Tiedie said: ↑

I'm answering my own questions to you. Go to Rockauto and buy the TPMS sensors for the Aluminum wheels
TOYOTA 2017 TACOMA 3.5L V6 Wheel Tire Pressure Monitoring System (TPMS) Sensor
$41.89 each

Awesome, thx. So I can add these to the SCS rims but who programs them and do I need the code prior to going to the tire shop?

You can only program 1 set at a time
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KrnTaco08 · Feb 18, 2018

So I can add these to the new rims? Do I need the code prior to going to the tire shop? I want to make sure I’m dialed before installing the rim and tires

WOTaco · Feb 18, 2018

KrnTaco08[OP] said: ↑

So I can add these to the new rims? Do I need the code prior to going to the tire shop? I want to make sure I’m dialed before installing the rim and tires
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Unless you clone your original TPMS you will have to go to the dealer to have your truck programmed to read them every time you switch wheels. Your truck will only read one set of sensors. You can buy the ones mentioned above and have your truck set to read them but your truck will then no longer recognize your original sensors. Make sense? This is why I want to have my OEM sensors cloned, to avoid having to bring my truck to the dealer (or tire shop I guess) every time I switch wheels.

Tiedie · Feb 18, 2018

KrnTaco08[OP] said: ↑

So I can add these to the new rims? Do I need the code prior to going to the tire shop? I want to make sure I’m dialed before installing the rim and tires
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no you don't need the code.
Tire shop should be able to program them when on the truck. I had stellies and went with Alloy wheels and needed the sensors for alloy put in. Firestone did it, now I would'nt say I didn't need to go back once to get the program to stick. Probaly because I had steel wheels in bed when we tried to program. They hooked up to computer and set the codes.

KrnTaco08 · Feb 18, 2018

WOTaco said: ↑

Unless you clone your original TPMS you will have to go to the dealer to have your truck programmed to read them every time you switch wheels. Your truck will only read one set of sensors. You can buy the ones mentioned above and have your truck set to read them but your truck will then no longer recognize your original sensors. Make sense? This is why I want to have my OEM sensors cloned, to avoid having to bring my truck to the dealer (or tire shop I guess) every time I switch wheels.
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Do you know how much the dealership charges?

KrnTaco08 · Feb 18, 2018

Tiedie said: ↑

no you don't need the code.
Tire shop should be able to program them when on the truck. I had stellies and went with Alloy wheels and needed the sensors for alloy put in. Firestone did it, now I would'nt say I didn't need to go back once to get the program to stick. Probaly because I had steel wheels in bed when we tried to program. They hooked up to computer and set the codes.
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Good deal. thanks for your help. I’ll check out that link also

Tiedie · Feb 18, 2018

I hope this helps went searching and found what you were asking, good read.

Hot Taco said: ↑

For those of you who live in states where it snows or you have more than one set of wheels, dealing with your vehicle's Tire Pressure Monitoring System (TPMS) can be a challenge. By default, your vehicle's TPMS system is setup to work with the wheel sensors that come with your car. Swap your OEM wheels with an aftermarket set and you get a flashing light on the dash that looks like the image above.

Some of you can (and will) ignore the TPMS warning light, but some of you can't. If you live in one of the following states, your TPMS must be functional in order to register your vehicle:

Hawaii

Rhode Island

Vermont

West Virginia

State laws aside, keeping your TPMS working isn't as easy as just purchasing another set of wheels with sensors... at least not for most Toyota vehicles. From TheTireRack.com:

Yikes! You have to schedule an appointment with the dealership and pay them every year just to put on your wheels?!?!? Not only that, if you swap winter and summer tires, you have to incur this cost and waste-of time twice a year! UNACCEPTABLE! (At least to me it is.)

Knowing this, I've compiled a list of options for dealing with your vehicle's TPMS system if you have multiple sets of wheels. I arranged the list from the least to most desirable according to my opinion, of which you are free to disagree with.

Solutions that involve disabling the TPMS are prefixed with "HACK:" where as solutions that leave the TMPS fully functional are prefixed with "SOLUTION:". To me, a desirable solution is one that leaves the TPMS intact, yet allows me to swap my wheels out w/o incurring a yearly cost and/or inconvenience (such as visiting a dealer).

If any of this information is incorrect, please let me know. I'm not an expert in the area of TPMS, but I'm hoping that creating this one-stop thread for TPMS info will help save other's a lot of time in researching the topic.

So, without further adieu...

HACK: Remove the TPMS Warning Light LED

A blinking warning TPMS warning light can't blink if there's no bulb. If you're mechanically inclined, start tearing your dash apart and remove the bulb. Apparently several TW members have already done this.

PROS

No cost if you don't mind tearing your dash apart.

CONS

Renders the TPMS useless for ALL wheels on your vehicle, requires quite a bit of work to get at the bulb, isn't legal, and probably isn't a great solution if you want to resell your vehicle. I'd be pretty miffed if I bought a vehicle and then got a flat with no TPMS warning light because the previous owner removed the bulb.

HACK: Disable TPMS

Several TW members have found where the main TPMS module is located (behind the radio?) and disabled it by cutting or unplugging the wires to the module. From what I've read, the method for disabling the system varies depending on the year of the vehicle.

PROS

(Same as LED bulb removal)

CONS

(Same as LED bulb removal)

HACK: Do-It Yourself "Pipe-Bomb"

No, not a real "pipe-bomb", but a home-made tube, usually constructed of PVC pieces, that is air-tight and has an air valve for adjusting the pressure. The idea is to take the TPMS sensors out of your OEM wheels, stick them in the "pipe-bomb", adjust the air pressure of the pipe to OEM specs, then throw the pipe under a seat or something so the TPMS is tricked into thinking the tires are properly inflated.

Click here for details on building a TPMS "pipe-bomb".

PROS

If the pipe-bomb is properly constructed, this should theoretically prevent the TPMS warning light from ever coming on no matter which wheels you have... TPMS equipped or not.

CONS

While I give the solution a nod for it being a creative solution, it once again renders the TPMS completely useless on ALL your wheels, not just your summer or winter wheels. Not only that, but it requires a bunch of work I'd rather not do! While not a great solution, it leaves the vehicle's TPMS intact which is good for resale (other than the next owner will have to put the sensors back in a set of wheels.)

HACK: Black Tape

Take your vehicle's gauge cluster apart and simply put a piece of black tape directly over the TPMS warning light. (I'm pretty sure you can't just stick the tape on the gauge cluster's clear plastic cover because the light will still be noticeable.)

PROS

It's cheap, relatively easy, and reversible.

CONS

Like many of the TPMS hacks listed above, this requires pulling the dashboard apart and removing the gauge cluster's plastic cover.

Unlike removing the LED bulb or disabling the TPMS, this hack is a little more obvious and shouldn't take long for the next owner of your vehicle to figure-out that there's a piece of tape on the warning light

This hack doesn't resolve the issue of the TPMS not working on non-OEM wheels, hence rendering the TPMS useless when you have your non OEM wheels on. In addition, when you mount your wheels OEM wheels, you won't be notified of a tire that has low pressure or is flat even though the TPMS system is fully functioning!

SOLUTION: Have Dealer or Tire Shop Reset ECU Sensor IDs

As a Toyota owner, every time you swap out your wheels you'll have to go to the dealership or tire shop to have them change the sensor ID values in the ECU to accept the ID numbers of each new sensor. If you don't do this, it won't matter if your alternate wheels have sensors or not... you'll get the warning light.

Why?

Most Toyota vehicle ECU's only store 5 TPMS sensor IDs at a time. Four (4) for your normal tires + 1 for the spare. (I'm not sure if all Tacomas have a sensor in the spare or not.) Therefore, you need to change the sensor IDs to whatever sensors are on the vehicle in order for the TPMS to work. It'd be nice if Toyota added the ability for the ECU to remember up to 10 sensor IDs, but that's available on the Tacoma.

Some vehicle owners have stated that if your OEM wheels and sensors are stored near your vehicle, the TPMS warning light *might* not go off because your vehicle's TPMS might read the sensors when your car is in the garage. I take this with a grain of salt and even if this does keep the light off, you'll be a might unhappy camper if your non-OEM wheels have a flat and you aren't notified

The dealer or tire shop may have a tool to read the sensor IDs directly from the valve stem. If not, you need to know the sensor IDs for your aftermarket wheels (obtained from the shop you got the wheels from) and you should probably keep the sensor IDs of the OEM wheels as well for switching back. The sensor ID is usually marked on the sensor itself, so if you don't know the number, the tire will have to be partially removed from the rim to view the number on the sensor or the dealer might have the proper tool to read the ID.

PROS

This is probably the only solution that is "dealer approved", hence puts you at no risk of voiding any warranties. It's also a solution that is legal in all 50 states. It's is recommended that you find a local wheel & tire shop, like Discount Tire Direct, to program the IDs for a much lower price than the dealer (and some charge no fee at all.)

CONS

This solution creates an ongoing expense and inconvenience of having to visit a dealer every time you want to swap your own tires. What a P.I.T.A.!

SOLUTION: Purchase Chinese OBD2 Mini VCI Tool

This tool is a Chinese hack version of the Toyota TIS software with limitations. The tool includes a USB OBDII cable for connecting your PC to your car and the TIS-hack software (Windows only).

Click here for ZiggyNaggy's review of the tool.

Several people have reported that by using this tool, they were able to change the sensor IDs in their ECU. However, I can't guarantee that this will work for all Tacoma models as some reported it didn't work.

Since the tool cost is less than $50, it might be worth the shot even if it doesn't work for setting the TPMS sensor settings. The tool provides other diagnostic information, like CEL codes, which is always useful.

PROS

If this actually works on your vehicle, it's a really low cost way to reset the sensor IDs in the ECU and leaves the TPMS completely functional.

CONS

There's a chance this tool might not work on your model of Tacoma.

Since the tool only allows you to change the sensor IDs and it doesn't provide any way to store additional IDs, that means you'll have to go through the process of entering the IDs every time you swap wheels. You better have the TPMS sensor numbers for both sets of wheels stored somewhere where you won't lose them!

The tool's software requires you to own a laptop that is capable of running in Windows XP mode, so even though the tool is cheap, it'll get expensive if you don't have a laptop and/or you aren't able to get your laptop to run the software.

SOLUTION: Purchase ATEQ TPM Quickset Tool

This tool is the only one I've been able to find that provides a reasonably priced, easy to use solution for swapping TPMS enabled tires. The tool reads and saves your vehicle's OEM TPMS sensor IDs from your vehicle's ECU via the OBDII port. It then allows you to enter and save one set of IDs for an alternate set of wheels. You then designate one set as your "winter wheels" and the other as "summer wheels". Once you've configured the tool, all you have to do when swapping wheels is plug in the tool, hold the "winter" or "summer" button until the tool does it's job, and you're done! Pretty slick.

Click here for a review of the ATEQ tool on the ToyotaNation.com forums.

PROS

This solution is relatively low in cost and once the initial setup is done, requires very little time and effort to use. For those of you who bought a wheel and tire package online with TPMS sensors already installed, purchasing this tool is probably the best route to go as you'll easily make up the $159 purchase fee by not having to go to the dealer twice a year to swap your wheels. If you forget to ask the shop that sold you the wheels what the sensor IDs were, you'll likely have to pay a few bucks to have a local shop read the IDs from the valve stems (if they have the tool to do so.)

CONS

Unfortunately, even "reasonably priced" seems like more than I'd like to spend just to swap-out my own tires. The tool can be purchased on

ATEQ Quickset TPMS ECU Reset Tool - Coverage for Most Asian Import Vehicles

Amazon.com for $159 (which is way cheaper than any professional grade TPMS tool). Like the Mini VCI tool mentioned above, this tool also requires a PC that runs Windows and requires an Internet connection for downloading updates. You don't need a laptop, however, since the PC is only used to setup the tool and isn't used for connecting to your car.

SOLUTION: Use Programmable Sensors to "Clone" OEM Sensor IDs

Several companies have realized that many vehicle owners have multiple sets of wheels and that swapping them is a totally P.I.T.A. because of the TPMS sensors. In addition, it's not cost-effective for dealers and tire shops to stock hundreds of TPMS sensors for each brand of car. As a result, these companies have created 'programmable' sensors. (For example, the Schrader EZ-Sensor) What this means is that the sensors don't have a permanent ID, the ID must be 'programmed' into the sensor. This allows for programming the sensors on a second set of wheels to have the same IDs as the stock wheels (called "cloning"). Therefore, the vehicles TPMS control unit won't know which wheels are on the car because the sensor IDs are always the same.

The TechSmart™ T55000 TPMS Cloning Tool claims that it can clone any programmable sensor and is priced at $110 on

$116 Standard Motor Products Standard Ignition T55000 TechSmart TPMS Clone Tool

Amazon.com. With this tool, you could potentially clone your own sensors and then take your wheels and tires to a local shop to have the tires mounted.

Discount Tire Direct informed me of the following:

Discount Tire has stores in most states as well as recommended installers. If you want programmable TPMS sensors installed in your wheel/tire package, you must call Discount Tire and order over the phone. They will then mount the tires with the sensors and ship them to you, and it will be up to you to find a wheel shop that can 'clone' the sensor IDs from your OEM sensors.

*** Warning! *** I went to Discount Tire Direct to get wheels installed and cloned sensors. The employees at the shop I went to did not install programmable sensors and had no idea what "sensor cloning" is. They installed VDO Redi-Sensors, which are not programmable. Make sure the sales rep knows what cloning is and that you are getting Schrader EZ-Sensors installed before they do any work. Otherwise, you'll end-up like I did with non-cloned sensors

The Tire Rack goes one step further:

Once again, I'm assuming you'd have to order the wheels by phone in order to get the programmable sensors, but it'd be worth it since you'd be able to bolt-on your wheels as soon as they arrive w/o any extra hassle.

PROS

To me, this is by far the best solution to the annoying TPMS wheel-swap issue. Once your aftermarket wheel sensors are "cloned", then you're free to swap your wheels like you want to with no additional expense and no additional time wasted.

CONS

No solution is perfect, not even this one The issue, as I see it, is that in order to get this solution to work, you'll have to figure-out where to acquire programmable TPMS sensors and find a shop that has the tools to program them. The tools to program the sensors are relatively expensive. Of the programming tools that do exist, I'm not sure if they can program any brand sensor or only specific sensors (For example, I'm not sure if a tool that programs Schrader EZ-Sensors can also program Orange brand programmable sensors or not?)

My hope is that someday all TPMS sensors will be programmable via a standard protocol which would then make this the absolute best solution.

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KrnTaco08[OP] said: ↑

Do you know how much the dealership charges?
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Tiedie · Feb 18, 2018

I heard abunch. @KrnTaco08.

KrnTaco08 · Feb 18, 2018

Lol

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