Too mutch rear brakes

I love how upset people get when you say how much you dislike ABS brakes. People should have a choice to drive with or without ABS. Personally I would rather have an extra 5 or 6k in my pocket and not have ABS or traction control. If these are real safety systems why do so many people dislike them ? When they cause accidents and near misses how can you call them safety systems ?

 

i know this is an older thread but it might help someone else, theres a small box mounted on some tacomas that adjusts the brakes when pulling a load if you did not get the drop bracket for it your rear brakes will not adjust properly. just an idea might be worth looking into

 

Moi j'ai installé un leveling kit, immédiatement après la lumière VSC a flashé pis j'ai fait le zéro point calibration moi même. Il faut simplement débrancher la batterie pendant une nuit... 8-10 heures peu près, pis le brancher et remplacer le fuse ABS. Ca fais presque un an depuis et j'ai eu aucune autre problème, le ABS fonctionne très bien.

Moi aussi je parles le français canadien, en plus je suis américain. :O

Hope that helps, message me if you want more help in your native language, or translation help. Where in Canada are you from?

 

I was told you have to have the dealership recalibrate it. Didn't know that you could just pull the battery overnight to zero out the sensor. And to think my dealer wanted $120 to do this!

I understand French and French Canadian

 

They are designed for the average stupid american that does not know how to brake. So when the come to an emergency situation they the slam the brakes and lock up the wheels loose control and crash. The ABS helps prevent this.

 

I'm sure this is not a regional problem. It is a driver error and insurance problem.
An expert driver can brake better than ABS. How many are on the roads right now?

 

Maybe i do not put my truck to the same use as yours, i offroad a lot, i do know how to properly use abs(it allows wheels to spin then grab again, in pulses. These pulses allow steering inputs to actually work) but sometimes especially when offroading you do need the wheels to lock up ex:


Sand and gravel under the tires act like tiny ball bearings when you step on the brakes. As a result there will be very little friction/traction between tires and ground.

Therefore all four wheels want to lock up immediately.

ABS would keep them from doing so.

Here is what you get with abs off:

When you hit the brake good and hard the wheels will lock up - the tires will immediately begin to dig in pushing against sand and gravel - this builds little berms in front of each tire, which very effectively slows down the vehicle.

Abs creates extremely long stopping distances on low traction surfaces.

In fact, stopping without ABS on sand or gravel can be so brutal that you better have your seatbelt on - otherwise you will end up with your face in the steering wheel. Been there

Driving on snow and ice is another ball game, some people wouldn't drive/offroad in snow/ice condition with abs and some expert swear by it !

I say its all up to your skill/experience and confidence in your driving abilities to choose the most suitable option depending on the road conditions!

 

Thanks

 

Now seeing on how I do not know you or how you drive BUT....

With a comment like that it leads me to believe that you rally the shit out of your truck off road.

And I think the biggest misunderstanding people have is the toyota truck is designed to be driving mainly on paved roads with the occasional drive on dirt roads and the very infrequent Lo 4x4 driving.

I get tired of people buying a brand new 35K truck 12-13 and hearing them say how bad the ABS is. The simple fact is people are over driving them.

This is how you treat an OHV not your daily driver.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-W2ITqESnXM

I go off road on dirt in hills in sandy desert washes gravel hard pack roads and rocky out crops. Also on nasty snowy roads in the winter. And my truck always brakes just fine for me in all conditions.









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Simply taking my friend and his 2 girls to the snow one day...... on a very small decent there was mud...maybe 4" deep at most.

Taking it around 10mph because I knew it could be slick around the upcoming turn, and I had a friends children with me.......I shifted down, and rode the brakes (wasn't very long distance and riding them was better than getting harder on them just before a muddy curve.
Well, ABS decided to kick in and it was not a good time considering the 100ft drop...after manipulating the brakes myself, we came to a stop.....an ABS killswitch would have allowed the tired to lock and dig in, or atleast allow me to control the brakes since I knew exactly what was going on instead of abs thinking it knew best.

The POS will even kick in while coming down a freeway offramp that has a long banked swooping turn that's safe at 45mph......making stopping at the stop sign challenging sometimes.....and this happens when its DRY!

Anyone in SLO, try the madonna offramp right at the apex......or Atascadero people, try the offramp heading north 101, take the home depot exit.

I think imma hook my abs killswitch back up today actually.

 

My GF has a Hyundai Santa Fe, 2010.

I have Tacoma 2006.

She stops exactly where I go through. At the same speed. We use same tires.

That says it all: ABS on tacoma are too sensitive: if one of four wheels has a SLIGHTEST speed difference, ABS kicks in and won't let you stop unless four wheels spins at the same speed, even at 5 MPH.

Read my findings:

http://www.tacomaworld.com/forum/2nd-gen-tacomas/206078-abs-rant-3.html#post4629779

 

thats a great post!

 

Just to let you know: If i disable ABS on my tacoma, in 99% of situations I have same stopping distance as Santa Fe, and in 1% of situations I even have a sorter stopping distance, because ABS kicked in in Santa Fe. Of course, I talk about normal stopping distance before red light or stop sign on dry, snow, ice, and hard packed snow, not in emergency situation.

We tested togheter many times and ABS in Tacoma is simply bad designed. It's just too sensitive. At least, for 2006 model year with open diff.

I think ABS with limited slip diff will behave better, because it's harder to have different speed between two rear wheel. I never tried it though. I would like to see an ABS stopping distance test between Tacoma with open diff and Tacoma with limited slip diff.

 

When you say normal stopping distance on ice and hard packed snow did you take into account that in those conditions you should be driving 1/3 to 1/2 slower and your stopping distances should be 2-3x more than dry weather driving?

 

The NTSA did not single out Tacoma's they were stating issues about ABS in general however a "good" driver can overcome the problems yes even in a Tacoma. ABS has been standard on German cars for at least 30 years and that is where the technology came from. The situation where ABS is not as effective is ice/sand so what does one base the percentage on? How many people drive in sand? How many drive in ice and snow year around? By and large it is a safety item for the vast majority of the driving public even in ice and snow it still give driver steering ability ABS does nothing more than what was the way good drivers used to drive before ABS. A tire that is not turning as no braking traction.

 

i guess you are referring to mercedes benz? they had an abs kill switch.

 

I prefer a drivers vehicle.....no nannys, or atleast a nanny off switch.

Seems like the further we come in tecnology, the less braking control we have, the less braking feel, the less we are in tune with the roads.

I survived this long driving a 68/70 beetle, an 88 nissan truck, an 87 celica, an 89 built maxima, a beast 69 roadrunner 440, and survived with no problem....I always knew I was in full control and could modulate the brakes.....u could go from mild braking to extreme braking if needed.....I tried that in the tacoma, and the "brains" I guess decided it was not an emergency stop....

I miss being able to slam hard and know id stop typically in x amount of feet....now im stuck with instead of an emergency stop, I have to SWERVE.....not the best idea if u have traffic on both sides moving....ur now stuck with "buzzzzz, rummmmmmble, buzzzzzzzz, hi im abs and im sure I have 500 feet to stop, if im wrong that's ok cuz u can swerve into moving traffic since I allow manuevering instead of stopping".

Meanwhile, u have 100ft to stop.

Technology has its flaws when we have no chance of overriding it....

 

Really? I worked for MB in the 80's must have been very well hidden.

 

No. Sorry, but they did not have a "Kill Switch".

Just so ya know: ABS was designed for Aircraft use and migrated to road vehicles...

 

the early 1990 mercedes-benz g-class