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Couple questions before I order Bilstein lift

Discussion in '3rd Gen. Tacomas (2016-2023)' started by MikeR585, Jul 17, 2017.

  1. Jul 18, 2017 at 9:35 AM
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    I will strongly co-sign @Texoma knows his Yotas :transformer:
     
  2. Jul 18, 2017 at 9:51 AM
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    Nope thats how it was. But because i remove the overload which the cable bracket mounted to i had to use the tab on the aal which is in a different spot. Then i grabbed a bfh and smashed em down a bit to release some tension. But i suspect this is the first thing that would need extending if i went higher. Even at full droop there is some slack in center brake hose.
     
  3. Jul 18, 2017 at 9:53 AM
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    Sweet post. So if you have a brake dist block solid mounted to an axle and a steel line running to the wheel cylinder which is also hard mounted to the axle, why would you replace said lines? Cause it would look pretty? Literally cant figure out why youd ever do that
     
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  4. Jul 18, 2017 at 9:56 AM
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    You are definitely missing the point. You don't replace hard lines. You replace the two soft hydraulic brake lines coming from the frame to the axle. That is where you will have an over extension problem. And I was messing with you on the e brake bracket. Made ya look though.
     
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  5. Jul 18, 2017 at 9:57 AM
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    If you do your research here you will find users that have run 5100s and then swapped to 6112s and report the difference is night and day. If you grab a 5100 and compare it to the 6112 valve body, there is no comparison. The 5100 is a cheap/budget way to get a lift but will detract from factory ride and performance whereas the 6112 is an improvement over factory ride and performance. You get what you pay for. If you want to break your teeth, go ahead and throw some 5100s on with factory coils and then preload the shit out of them.

    Also an important consideration is you're going to spend the same in labor (time and/or money) to install 5100s or 6112s. So pick either one....just realize it's going to take double the labor and time down the road when you decide to swap the 5100s out for something better.
     
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    "Do your research here" and you'll get the same recycled garbage answers from lemmings that know how to use copy and paste.

    I have the 5100s, and the improvement over stock ride is drastic. I would recommend them to anyone, and would install them again. "Break your teeth" is a bit on the dramatic side. I replaced my factory coils with OME 885s because I think preloading coils is a bad idea. Blaming 5100's for the harsh ride of preloaded coils is just silly.
     
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  7. Jul 18, 2017 at 10:15 AM
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    Wait a min, by that logic smitty, you're saying if you get 6112's you can "preload the shit" out of the factory coils and still have an awesome ride?

    It's too early to be that drunk.
     
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  8. Jul 18, 2017 at 10:19 AM
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    https://www.tacomaworld.com/threads/best-3-lift.383051/page-3#post-12978824

    https://www.tacomaworld.com/threads/ikon-vs-ome.402123/#post-11213677

    https://www.tacomaworld.com/threads/the-6112-bilstein-vs-the-5100-bilstein.389491/
     
  9. Jul 18, 2017 at 10:19 AM
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    99% of us don't NEED remote reservoirs on our shocks, but hey, they look awesome and make us happy.
     
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    So you found 4 people on Tacoma World that like the 6112s and/or want to feel better about spending the extra money. OR..maybe they actually need the extra shock - good for them.

    Riveting.

    5100's are the best bang for the buck. You can get them with OME coils and still have money leftover from what you would have spent just getting 6112's. If the game is to try and get people to torch their money on shit they don't need, why not just tell everyone to buy Ikon or Kings?
     
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  11. Jul 18, 2017 at 10:27 AM
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    https://www.tacomaworld.com/threads/bilstein-6112.421995/page-20#post-14181744
    "Last weekend I got out in the dirt for several hours and got to work the 6112's. I'm quite impressed. Very controlled. Head and shoulders above the 5100/885 I was running." -Crom

    Yep just another "lemming" who knows nothing about these trucks or the suspension options available.
     
  12. Jul 18, 2017 at 10:30 AM
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    Another .00000000001% case study. Perhaps you think I'm debating that the 6112 isn't better than the 5100. If so, you've missed the point. I'm saying it's more shock than people need, thus a waste of money. You're saying the 5100s are crap, and all you have is threads saying the 6112s are better. Well fuck, they should be better for 3x the price.

    I continue to have my mind blown.

    Someone actually putting shit to work isn't what I'd consider a lemming. Maybe lemming is even a bad word choice. Let's go with parrots. TW Parrots.

    Tacoma World Parrot Cycle:

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    4 - Enter TW Parrots - everything else is just "crap" and you just need to "spend the money" to "do it right"
    5 - Rinse / Repeat
     
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    Just a question, but have you ever ridden in a vehicle with 6112's to compare it to your 5100's? And how do you know what people need? The price on them have dropped dramatically, and don't leak like 5100's. it's a $100 difference per shock.He might be talking longevity as well.
     
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    Yes, but a Tundra so it's not a heads up comparison. I haven't driven a Tacoma with 6112s. I don't doubt the shock is great, at all. As I said, for 3X the price, it better be an improvement.
     
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    This debate about 5100's and 6112's is like debating OME 90000's and BP-51's. It's a no brainer that they are a better shock, but not everyone is looking for that upgrade and just want a lift for a reasonable price. That said, all of those are an upgrade over stock shocks whether they are the base model or TRD shocks. Now the TRD pro shocks are a different story.
     
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    Dude, you are off your rocker. A 5100 is just about the cheapest shock you can get, around $140 a shock. A 6112 is about an extra $125 a shock more than a 5100. BP-51 and OME 9000's are light years away from each other, in ride quality, performance, and especially price. You are comparing a $3000 coilover system to a nitrocharger shock.
     
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    I'd consider looking at Icon for the rear. They have a regular monotube rear shock that would work great with their 3-leaf add a leaf.
     
  19. Jul 18, 2017 at 11:02 AM
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    I know - it's amazing how much better than stock they are for the price. That's why I keep recommending them.
     
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    They also like to leak. It just comes down to if you want to do it once, or go back and fix/replace components.
     
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