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SAS Quick Guide & Cost...

Discussion in 'Solid Axle Suspension' started by Supra TT, Feb 6, 2011.

  1. Feb 6, 2011 at 9:45 AM
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    Supra TT

    Supra TT [OP] Solid Axle FTMFW!!

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    SAS.. Need I say more.
    I'm going to guide you through my SAS, my cost, and my frustration. I will probably convince you to SAS, because it is so utterly amazing. However, it is not easy, and it is NOT cheap. My build ---> http://www.tacomaworld.com/forum/1st-gen-builds/195730-supra-tts-solid-axle-swap.html

    Most people should stay with IFS. SAS is intended for the extreme off roader. IFS can handle most courses of the SAS, just not as easy, or as well.

    Here is a pricing guide that I made so I knew how much money I would be out. I'm giving you the part, where I bought it from, and how much it costed me shipped.

    Parts Needed,.....Part Location,.......and Prices

    OIL PAN
    12101-75060 Pan, Toyota Dealer, $100.00
    15104-75020 Strainer, Toyota Dealer, $80.00
    15147-75020 Gasket, Oil Strainer, Toyota Dealer, $30.00
    11494-75010 Plate, Oil Hole, Toyota Dealer, $30.00
    91651-60614 Bolts (Oil Hole plate) (QTY: 4), Toyota Dealer, $15.00
    00295-00103 FIPG (Form in Place Gasket material), Toyota Dealer, $15.00

    STEERING
    Reid Racing Ford Knuckles, Parts Mike, $460.00
    Hi Steer Arms w/ studs, Parts Mike, $220.00
    Tie Rod and Draglink, Sidco 4x4, $155.00
    IFS Steering Box 1989-1995 4x4, Ebay, $125.00
    Borgeson Steering Shaft 450036, Summit Racing, $75.00
    Borgeson 013452 and 014909, Summit Racing, $160.00
    Pitman Arm, Parts Mike, $50.00
    Kartek 11/32" 29 Spline U-joint, Kartek, $110.00

    SUSPENSION
    Front Leaf Springs 5", Marlin Crawler,$342.00
    FOA Emulsion Shocks (4), FOA Shocks,$552.00
    FOA Shocks Charged, Sidco 4x4, $100.00
    F/R Ubolt Flip Kits, Parts Mike,$100.00
    9/16" Spring Hanger (2), Parts Mike, $34.00
    9/16" Shackle Bracket, Parts Mike, $42.00
    Shock Bracket Pair (2), Parts Mike,$36.00
    Shackle Hanger Kit Front, Parts Mike, $50.00
    Shackle Hanger Kit Rear, Parts Mike, $35.00
    Spring Perch Set (2), Parts Mike, $30.00
    Shock Tower Set, Parts Mike, $36.00


    AXLE
    Chromoly Right Side Axles, Superior Axle and Gear, $296.00
    Chromoly Left Side Axles, Superior Axle and Gear, $267.00
    Warn Premium Locking Hubs, Ebay, $80.00
    CTM U-Joints, Longfield, $315.00
    Front Gears 5.38, Superior Axle and Gear, $176.00
    Powertrax No-Slip Front, Just Differentials, $450.00
    Powertrax No-Slip Rear, Just Differentials, $450.00
    Rear Gears 5.43, Superior Axle and Gear, $208.00
    Frame Plating, Ballistic Fabrication, $112.00
    Front Bearing Kit, Superior Axle and Gear, $122.00
    Rear Bearing Kit, Superior Axle and Gear, $90.00
    Rear Frame Plates, Domello Offroad, $120.00
    D44 4:10 Carrier, Sidco 4x4, $50.00
    Toy Flange, Sidco 4x4, $50.00


    BRAKES
    Front Rotors, O'Reillys, $70.00
    Front Pads, O'Reillys, $25.00
    Front Calipers, O'Reillys, $25.00
    F/R Steel Braided Hoses, Summit Racing, $50.00
    Brake Adapters, Sidco 4x4, $50.00
    Brake Fittings, Sidco 4x4, $50.00


    MISCELLANIOUS
    4.5" 9/16 Bolts (20), Sidco 4x4, $50.00
    Stuff, Sidco 4x4, $100.00
    Toyota Long Slip Drive Shaft Custom, Sidco 4x4, $100.00

    WHEELS
    Goodyear MT/R 37/12.5/15R, Craigslist, $700.00
    Tire balancing, Sidco 4x4, $50.00
    New 5 on 5.5" RimsSidco 4x4, $125.00


    FABRICATION
    Sidco 4x4 fabrication work, $2,200.00

    TOTAL $9,363.00


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    Here is another list from Alove on his build. He has a cleaner build using the toyota mini axle :cool:http://www.tacomaworld.com/forum/1st-gen-builds/215854-4x4-wanna-part-2-sas-toyota-axle-3link.html


    Here is a very high end build by Jlee, he used about the highest quality parts and axles you can find! http://www.tacomaworld.com/forum/1st-gen-builds/114345-jlees-build.html

     
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  2. Feb 6, 2011 at 9:45 AM
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    Supra TT

    Supra TT [OP] Solid Axle FTMFW!!

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    SAS.. Need I say more.
    Now that you have seen a typical leaf sprung SAS. I'll post you an average cost of an excellent (IMO) IFS set up.

    I used the powertrax no slip lockers for my SAS, so I will use them in this IFS build. I'll be including rocksliders, I believe these are a very important part in building a truck.

    3" Coil over lift:

    Icon suspension systems: Stage 2, $1648
    Camburg UCA, $600
    Bud Built front skids, $279
    Bud Built belly pan, $264
    Powertrax No-slip Rear, $414
    Powertrax Lockrite Front, $291
    ECGS Front Gears 4.88, $210
    ECGS Rear Gears 4.88, $200
    4x Innovations rock sliders DOM, $225
    BFG KM2's 33/35" $800

    Installation.. Most of it is easy, except the gears, $1000

    Total: $5931


    I'm probably missing something, however as you can see, It's still expensive, but you don't need all these to make a good truck. You can get away with a few things, perhaps you already have some, but this is going by being stock.

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  3. Feb 6, 2011 at 9:45 AM
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    SAS.. Need I say more.
    Now ask yourself... Do I really need to SAS my truck?

    Everyone want's to SAS their truck because it's what Toyota should of offered in the first place when purchasing your truck. Like I mentioned earlier, SAS is for the extreme offroader. Why would you go and waste $5-10k on this just to become a mall crawler? So all the mothers and fathers can point and stare at your odd looking truck? Go for it, if you really care what other people think about it, then have at it.

    I cannot see myself wasting this amount of money for looks, instead of functionality. If anyone tells you this is easy or cheap, then either ignore them or call them a bull shitter. This can be done efficiently and economically if you know exactly what you are doing. Parts can be gathered over a period of 6 months, 12 months or even years. I know people who have collected for 3 years and have came out fairly low on price. Excellent job for them!

    Trailgear introduced their SAS kit just a month or two ago. Great source for someone to start. I'd recommend starting there. However, if you want to exclude any kit and start from scratch, there are several places to shop for SAS parts. Then you can chose to have your own individual swapped truck. NO SAS TRUCK IS ALIKE. No matter even if you bought someones kit. Everyone does something different.

    Part supplier links:

    http://www.partsmike.com/
    http://www.ruffstuffspecialties.com/catalog/index.php
    http://www.marlincrawler.com/
    http://www.highangledriveline.com/
    http://www.summitracing.com/
    http://www.ballisticfabrication.com/
    http://www.frontrangeoffroadfab.com/nfoscomm/catalog/
    http://www.demello-offroad.com/catalog/
    http://www.superioraxlegear.com/
    http://www.polyperformance.com/index.php

    Reasons why SAS is more beneficial over IFS. I've been asked before so I figured I'd post some information. This pertains to rock crawling and trail riding. IFS is superior to desert racing over SA.

    I'll offer one reason, but I'm sure there are many more: The solid axle acts as a very long control arm. Longer control arms are favorable for off-road because...hum...it's difficult to explain. Things like springs and shocks don't have to swing through as much 'arc displacement' (to coin a phrase?) with longer control arms. Take a sheet a paper and draw and independent suspension set-up and a solid axle set up. Remember that an independent set up has control arms that hinge near the center of the vehicle. (There may be a modern 4WD independent front suspension whose control arms extend across the front of the vehicle; I can't think of one…Ford's old 'Twin I-Beam' [not 4WD] set-up comes to mind.) Go ahead and draw springs and shocks on the set-ups. Simple 'stick' figure representations will do.

    Now imagine the suspension types being 'flexed.' The hinge point for the flexure of the IFS will be about the respective control arms' inner end. The hinge point for the solid axle front end is the opposite wheel/ground interface or, roughly twice the 'radius arm' of the IFS. The shocks and springs are fixed at the top (they don't move there) on either set-up while the bottom of the springs and shocks move with the axle (on solid axle) or control arm (IFS). Now, looking from the front or rear, note where the control arm/axle spring/shock attach points are while the vehicle is sitting on level ground (un-flexed). Allow one IFS wheel drop and allow one solid axle wheel to drop. Remember to hinge the IFS about the inside of the control arm and hinge the solid axle about the opposite wheel/ground interface. Still looking from the front or rear, note how much the lower end of the spring/shock mount point has moved left or right compared to the solid axle design. The solid axle's control arm is so long--compared to the IFS--that the spring and shock practically moves straight up and down. The spring perches (top and bottom) remain more parallel when the solid axle is flexed compared to the IFS. On the IFS, the spring wants to 'pop out' more easily as the wheel droops. This is what I like about IFS torsion bar 'springs' suspension…good packaging, and it solves the IFS coil-spring-deflection problem. But, even with torsion springs, the geometry of the IFS is too much to package (in my opinion) if it's designed to excel off-road.
     
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  4. Feb 6, 2011 at 9:46 AM
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    Supra TT

    Supra TT [OP] Solid Axle FTMFW!!

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    SAS.. Need I say more.
    I continue to read posts about people assuming SAS can be done for $2500. If you cheap out on everything, yes it can be done. It will not be reliable, it will not be effcient, it will not be able to do anything properly, why even invest into it?...

    You don't just need an axle and Trail gears kit/Sky manufacturering's. THERE IS MORE TO A SAS.

    Trail gear build prices, most likely cheapest/effcient if it can get done correctly.



    Kit Includes:
    • Front Spring hanger
    • Front Springs (Your choice)
    • All spring and shackle bushings
    • Shock Hoops
    • 5125 Bilstein Shocks (Your size choice)
    • Frame Tube Jigs
    • Frame Tubes
    • Shackle mount Kit
    • Front Frame Reinforcement Plates (With IFS Box Mount Kit Incorporated)
    • Steering shaft
    • Steering couplers
    • Fire wall plate
    • Bump stop kit
    Tacoma SAS Kit A, $1,469.



    Kit Includes:
    • Leaf Springs (Your size choice)
    • 5” Shackle Kit
    • Lower Shock Mounts
    • Bilstein 5125 Shocks (Your size choice)
    • Inner Frame Support Brackets
    • Upper Shock Mount Kit
    • 9/16" U-Bolt Flip Kit
    • Welded Spring Hanger Kit
    • Shackle Mount Kit
    • 26” DOT Braided Metal Brake line
    • Spring Perches
    • Poly Bushings
    • Greasable Shackle Bolts
    • 25mm Freeze Plug
    Tacoma Rear Lift Kit, $739

    Now, you are still missing A PORTION of the build...

    I'll EVEN CHEAP OUT ON THE NEXT ITEMS...

    Axle $150
    Gears F/R $400
    Lockers F/R $600 (Okay so you have an E locker) $300
    Hy-steering $400
    Oil pan conversion $270
    Steering hoses $80
    Hubs $100
    Steering box $100
    Brake lines $75

    So far you're at $4083

    Okay so you are going to drive on your 31's? Cmon...

    BFG KM2's 35/12.5/16 Discounttiredirect.com... $800


    Now you need knuckles because your's aren't flat top? $450!

    The axle you bought is from 1980 and it's never seen a maintenance job... You need brand new brakes, bearings and seals!!?? $250

    $5583

    You may not need knuckles, but generally you do. You also might not need brakes or new bearings in the axle.

    So maybe you'll be at $4883

    Now get to work, but 95% of people aren't capable of doing their own fabrication.

    Add $2000-$5000 Depending on what shop.

    $6883

    Show me a cheaper, more effecient, and reliable way of doing a SAS paying a fabrication shop and I will gladly change my guide.

     
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  5. Feb 6, 2011 at 10:10 AM
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  6. Feb 6, 2011 at 10:14 AM
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    malander That's some tight butthole

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  7. Feb 6, 2011 at 10:16 AM
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  8. Feb 6, 2011 at 12:49 PM
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    wow bacically 10k really worth???
     
  9. Feb 6, 2011 at 12:52 PM
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    Haha, I just watched extreme4x4 this morning and he did an old blazer (I think) and said it only costs $1500 to do a SAS. He said it was cheaper than doing a regular lift on the IFS. I laughed because I know how much it has cost people on here and he made it look like all you had to do wastake out the IFS and put in a solid axle. He kept saying how useless the IFS is for offroading and how all you are going to do is break stuff whenever you wheel it. He also left the double stacked block lift in the rear......
     
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  15. Feb 6, 2011 at 3:34 PM
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    Supra TT [OP] Solid Axle FTMFW!!

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    SAS.. Need I say more.
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    Wait..... shit. :D
     
  16. Feb 6, 2011 at 4:35 PM
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    Supra TT [OP] Solid Axle FTMFW!!

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    SAS.. Need I say more.
    Yeah, those are just simple builds to the axle itself, axle builds costs $1k-4k. Rear axle is even cheaper.

    Mine's a realistic look at if you researched, and bought every part and had a shop do the work. Everyone's look at price is different, we all would love to build a truck for $3k, but than everyone and their dog would be driving a SAS truck.
     
  17. Feb 6, 2011 at 5:13 PM
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    Supra TT [OP] Solid Axle FTMFW!!

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    SAS.. Need I say more.
    I sadly had a shop do it.. I was there time to time, but I've spent so much time reading about SA's, and I still don't know shit compared to the people over on TTORA or Pirate 4x4. I read every comment and thread they've created, 3x.

    Oh btw, 9k? Dude you can do a SAS for $1,500... :D
     
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    Right on. That's more or less the route I'm going, and that's about where I'm gonna be, costwise...perhaps a little higher, because I opted for a setup more akin to Icon's Stage 3.

    You know your shit man :thumbsup: And I'd kill to have your truck to play around in.
     
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    Supra TT [OP] Solid Axle FTMFW!!

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    I do not.. It's winter time and I have no access to a warm shop. When it warms up it's time to bust of the welder :D I have all the steel for it.
     
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