1. Welcome to Tacoma World!

    You are currently viewing as a guest! To get full-access, you need to register for a FREE account.

    As a registered member, you’ll be able to:
    • Participate in all Tacoma discussion topics
    • Communicate privately with other Tacoma owners from around the world
    • Post your own photos in our Members Gallery
    • Access all special features of the site

The War Room: Scocar's Land Cruiser Build

Discussion in '2nd Gen. Builds (2005-2015)' started by scocar, Oct 11, 2015.

  1. Oct 11, 2015 at 7:21 AM
    #1
    scocar

    scocar [OP] Treat the cause, not the symptom

    Joined:
    Nov 11, 2009
    Member:
    #25814
    Messages:
    36,544
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    Ricardo
    In close proximity to an undisclosed location
    Vehicle:
    2015 DCLB 4x4 SR5
    Mostly pallet racks loaded with very impressive boxes, and a smashed head unit
    Might as well get it over with and start this now so I have a list of all the shit I want to do written in one place. Day 1 after selling the 1st gen. Now I can focus. Kind of.

    Don't fuck it all up, you fuckers. Don't. Seriously.

    Son was arriving in August 2015. Needed a DC for a growing family. Wanted a long bed for stuff because truck. Don't like skewps. Did not want 3rd gen bleeding edge and unknowns. Plus they look like ass.

    2015 DCLB 4x4 SR5 Silver Sky Metallic. Purchased from Freeman Toyota in Santa Rosa, California, after hunting electronically and physically across Northern California. $1000 under invoice.
    SL: SR5 Extra Value Package
    TO: V6 Towing package
    AL: 16-in alloy wheels
    EE: Entune Premium with Nav

    Current pic August 30, 2018. New Leer 100RCC.


    June 24 2016:


    When I bought it, June 2015:

    Fresh off the delivery truck in the dealer's back lot, 3 miles on ODO, still needs dealer prep.

    Picking it up a few days later.



    Sunscreen mod. Visiting dad after taking delivery.

    Enjoying lunch and shopping at Mountain Hardware factory outlet with wife in Richmond at the old nd repurposed Ford Factory, looking across the Bay to SF.


    Finally home.
    ermagerd, ser merny Tercermers




    OK, enough screwing around, need to do this mod first.


    Holy shit, that was quick!


    OK, Bennett, this thing is as much your as it is mine. The adventures we'll have....
    *Note the pose: :yes:
     
    Last edited: Aug 30, 2018
    Jon G, Caliph420, Road Bull and 26 others like this.
  2. Oct 11, 2015 at 7:22 AM
    #2
    scocar

    scocar [OP] Treat the cause, not the symptom

    Joined:
    Nov 11, 2009
    Member:
    #25814
    Messages:
    36,544
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    Ricardo
    In close proximity to an undisclosed location
    Vehicle:
    2015 DCLB 4x4 SR5
    Mostly pallet racks loaded with very impressive boxes, and a smashed head unit
    TODAY (6/25/2016)



    3/30/2016



    2/28/16


    Ok so where am I going with this? I guess light expo daily driver and project-stuff-getter covers it. You know, a truck. Lots of camping, forestry roads and mid-level trails, towing the teardrop camper, exploring, accessing superlative venues for viewing the Milky Way and meteor showers, likely eventual RTT addition when the kiddo gets bigger. And the typical hauling lumber, ladders, and junk for DIY house projects.

    Here's a bunch of random stuff that crosses my mind so I don't forget in my new dad haze. Still familiarizing with 2nd gen quirks and tweaks in general.

    Note to self: add weights

    Somewhat in this order possibly to some degree.

    Last update to progress or other tweaks: 8/28/18

    Done(ish) in this order. New stuff added at bottom of list for now:
    Acquired/in process:
    • Leer 100RCC with vented windoors (~150 lb) to be installed 8/29
    • Total Chaos UCAs with super secret sauce black bushings (acquired)
    • Dakars and AALs (acquired, prepped)
    • OEM "naked" (bushless) shackles
    • Front King 2.5 remote reservoir coilover 25001-119-ext
      black anodized parts and hose
      Rear King 2.5 remote reservoir shock 25001-Dickar
      custom length 17 comp, 27 ext, black anodized parts and hose,
      threaded rod end, rubber bump (acquired)
    • 4xInnovations HD shackles TO BE SOLD
    • 4.0L Magnuson supercharger whoa, where did that come from? (acquired)
    • Baja Designs S2 Pro driving combo, clear lens, single pair for adding to front of Prinsu rack. Depending on performance, I may add another pair at a later date. (acquired)
    • Mud flaps, my baby's gonna have 'em. But WTF, Toyota, your stock crap hits speed bumps. Going with Proven Designs Classic, and have them add an OEM 4x4 logo. Shorter, far more flexible, and a bit wider/outboard to accommodate increased offset with the wheels. Want to protect the body and also the teardrop trailer when towing that, especially on gravel roads. (acquired, pending lift for install)
    • Szechuanese Z-profile Leer glass door bottom seal. Yay, thanks for sending a different item than shown, Chinese ebay vendor, and the ensuing ESL circular argument via PM. May still be able to use it. We'll see.
    • Bumper plugs, Lowe's + touchup paint. (acquired)
    • Prinsu Cabrac and Toprac, black powdercoat and anodized. Flipping group buy came up, 20% off if you get both March 2016. So I guess this moved up the list. Cabrac 42 lb. Toprac 36 lb. (acquired, currently being seasoned up in the garage trusses)
    The indeterminate future:
    SUSPENSION

    Looking for no more than about 2-2.5 in. overall when fully loaded. I need to do some crunching on projected load weights and with trailer for the rear.
    • Front: King 25001-119-EXT, not sure on coil rating yet. Probably start at 600. Swaybar relocate or more likely outright removal. JBA UCAs (updated model). Don't want maintenance headache of uniballs, but want to increase articulation/droop because LWB and no locker.
    • Rear: Dakars, plus Kings of appropriate length. The OEM Performance Kings leave a couple inches of droop on the table with Dakars. Shock fitment notes from Crom. Bilstein RCD/BE5-B110-T5 provides extended length: 27.28, collapsed length: 16.34". Get Dakar AAL, remove an overload, add 3 degree shims, add carrier bearing drop. UPDATE: some variance on Crom's Bilstein parts and Kings in terms of measurement. After acounting for that, this is what King is basing design on: 17 in. compression, 28 in. max. extension, 11 in. travel total.
    • U-bolt flip and Wheeler's Superbumps front and rear
    • Extended rear brake lines
    OTHER CRAP
    • Unfuck Entune/ Android HU. The Happy Happy Joy Joy units are getting great reviews and sound like a bargain.
    • Relentless Industries SR-M clear diffused flood reverse/work light kit. Mount to rear of Caprac. Possible mount to hitch for interim use.
    • Maxtrax mounting pins or equivalent for Cabrac.
    • High-clearance exhaust cross pipe. WTF, Toyota, this is a 4x4. DVexile also has a great writeup on this Diet Taco... trying to keep things light. Potential local shops: http://specializedexhaust.com/about-us/, http://mufflerexpress.net/
    • Bedrail/tie-down mod. The stock twisty clampy hooky things suck ass to operate and for attaching simple control devices like rubber trucker bungees.
    • Leer cap paint color match to Silver Sky Metallic
    • Tailgate dust seal
    • Better I-pod/USB setup, including back seat.
    • Convenience/reading light above each rear door for passengers. Three-way white/red LED ideal.
    • Fire extinguisher/quickfists, and other quickfisty stuff
    • De-tick the fucking engine a bit https://www.tacomaworld.com/threads/ticking-engine-one-fix.43632/
    • Rear diff armor
    • Auxiliary backup lights 6-inch LEDs
    • More (and better) USBs in front console https://www.tacomaworld.com/threads/dual-usb-charging-outlet-install.381093/
    • USB jack in rear center console for back seat passengers.
    • Bed D-rings on rear cubbies
    • Rear bumper color match or black or high clearance plate. The Relentless is awesome, but I can't justify this unless I damage or get hung up on the stock bumper.
    • US Offroad Bumper w/ winch (possibly)
    • Unfuck/remove the stock storage behind the back seat.
    • Cab sound deadening, speaker upgrade. Crom FTMFW
    • Black head lights, Depo apparently over Anzo (doesn't look like Depo makes them yet). May have to just do the BHLM on the OEMs.
    • Red Line Easy-down tailgate strut. Apparently they only work up to 2011, will see if they ever make a 12-15. The Relentless plate makes the gate a fair bit heavier, even in aluminum.
    • RTT on top of Leer when the kid gets a bit older. Note on storage:champion hoist from Cabelas
    • Perhaps Vinyl Tacoma decals to replace badges. Dark gray (idea is a bit darker than the paint color, almost ghost), and separated letters across the lower edge of tailgate. After everything else is done and I'm bored and have too much free time LOL.
    • OTTRA lighted switches for fog lights, aux backup/task lights, and some LED offroad lights mounted at hood rear corners or roof rack...we'll see.
    • Other basic 2nd gen fixes to known stupid issues. Refresh my memory
    • Foglights anytime mod
    • Color matching note: http://www.automotivetouchup.com/touch-up-paint/buypaint
    Future organization in all my free time:

    Interior
    Exterior
    Wheels and Suspension


    Oh fuck this. I'll just sell it and get something else.
     
    Last edited: Sep 7, 2018
  3. Oct 11, 2015 at 7:22 AM
    #3
    scocar

    scocar [OP] Treat the cause, not the symptom

    Joined:
    Nov 11, 2009
    Member:
    #25814
    Messages:
    36,544
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    Ricardo
    In close proximity to an undisclosed location
    Vehicle:
    2015 DCLB 4x4 SR5
    Mostly pallet racks loaded with very impressive boxes, and a smashed head unit
    EDIT: wheels post moved down, first junk purchased moved here.

    Husky Weatherbeaters


    Bedmat



    OMG those plastic bins behind the back seats suck, placeholder for future mod.
     
    Last edited: Nov 14, 2015
  4. Oct 11, 2015 at 7:22 AM
    #4
    scocar

    scocar [OP] Treat the cause, not the symptom

    Joined:
    Nov 11, 2009
    Member:
    #25814
    Messages:
    36,544
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    Ricardo
    In close proximity to an undisclosed location
    Vehicle:
    2015 DCLB 4x4 SR5
    Mostly pallet racks loaded with very impressive boxes, and a smashed head unit
    EDIT: moved all cap stuff here.
    LEER CAP

    Need a cap. Craigslist find, used Leer XQ with bells and whistles for $900, I'll give it some TLC and get it color matched later when things calms down.
    Seller threw in a Bedrug, I sold it to a TW member for $300. Leer price now effectively $600. This one with its options would have been new OTD about $3k. :)

    Still need to put all this in.
     
    Last edited: Nov 14, 2015
  5. Oct 11, 2015 at 7:22 AM
    #5
    scocar

    scocar [OP] Treat the cause, not the symptom

    Joined:
    Nov 11, 2009
    Member:
    #25814
    Messages:
    36,544
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    Ricardo
    In close proximity to an undisclosed location
    Vehicle:
    2015 DCLB 4x4 SR5
    Mostly pallet racks loaded with very impressive boxes, and a smashed head unit
    TIRES AND WHEELS RESEARCH

    NOTE 2016/02/29: I ultimately decided to go with Cooper ST Maxx on SCS F5 4.5 backspacing instead. Essentially the same key specification and benefits of the Konigs, but the SCS F5 style, structural design, and way they complemented the SSM color of the truck just got the better of me. That said, I learned a heck of a lot by investigating the Konigs and my discussions with Dustin at FN Wheels regarding the Konigs. It was a hard choice. So, for now, I am leaving this here for others to benefit from.

    Information on the SCS/Cooper setup is provided here (link fixed).


    Michelin
    LTX AT2 LT265/75-16 ~$200/tire @TireRack


    Cooper
    Discoverer ST MAXX ~ $180

    Cooper tire weight, as weighed by me on bathroom scales: 55 lb

    Wheels


    Konig Countersteers are at the top of the list. I've never used non-OEM wheels before, let alone on a second gen, so I was doing some Q&A with Dustin at FN wheels.

    Likely black to match other black trim on truck and for ease of rattle can touch-up for rash, but looking at graphite and anthracite, too.
    Graphite on left, anthracite on right, pics courtesy of Dustin at my request. He did some in sun and some in shade to reveal the subtle differences. Above and beyond, Dustin, thanks. Your responsiveness, clarity, and professionalism make me want to give you money.










    More info from Dustin, some of this is provided on the FN site, but again, he goes above and beyond. This is only a fraction of his thoughtful, clear responses:

    Overall fit, spec, backspacing, etc.


    Regarding backspacing - all of our wheels are going to be different from your factory wheels. All of our wheels will have more aggressive offset and backspacing than the factory wheels (although some of our wheels do differ from one another).

    Your factory wheels have a particularly high offset / backspacing and a narrow width : 16x7" / +32mm offset / 5.26" backspacing.

    The 16x8" Konig Countersteer Offroad has a lower offset / backspacing and a slightly wider width: 16x8" / +0mm offset / 4.5" backspacing.

    We make all of our wheels with a wider width and lower backspacing vs. the factory wheels to give a wider range of tire fitment options, better suspension clearance, and a wider stance for better appearance (looks).

    If you plan to install the wheels with factory suspension and 265/75R16 tires (which are about 1" taller than the OEM tires) you might have a very small (minimal) amount of rubbing on the front mud flaps / aero flap under the front fender liner.

    This is pretty easily remedied by removing the flaps or trimming the flaps, or you can just leave them on and wait until you install your lift for the rubbing to go away. Again it will be very minimal, and probably only noticeable when pulling into or backing out of tight parking spaces. If you install the new wheels with factory sized tires and factory suspension you would not have rubbing at all.

    Lugs
    The lug nuts are not particularly special so to speak, but they are different from your OEM lug nuts. The OE lug nuts have a shank that goes into the wheel and a flat washer. This is called a mag-shank or E.T. style lug nut. Our wheels are drilled with conical seats that have 60 degree tapers, and as such they take 60 degree tapered lug nuts. The lug nuts that I include a spline drive, small diameter lug nuts which use a special spline socket key (which is also included).

    We prefer to use small diameter spline lug nuts because they fit better in the lug journals of our wheels, and as a result there is less risk to scratching the lug
    journals / spokes. The spline socket is a 19mm or 3/4" hex drive, so you will need to keep a 19mm or 3/4" adapter or wrench w/ socket in your truck in case you get a flat. You'll also want to keep 6pcs of the original factory lug nuts just in case you need to put the spare on the truck, since the factory spare uses the factory lug
    nuts.

    This is all standard, and the same way we've been doing these wheels for the last 10 years that I've been selling them on Custom Tacos, Tacoma World, and the other sites.



    And an approximation of black on the lighter silver SB, but black trim. Tires similar ish to Cooper ST MAXX for...burliness.



    Differences from Stock

    Weight

    OEM alloy 22.2 lb according to Crom's sources.
    Dunflop AT Grandkraps 245/70 r16 [TBD]

    Konig Countersteer 19.3 lb per wheel, 955KG load rating (2,100lbs+).
    Cooper S/T Maxx 265/75 r16 54lb (according to an individual who called Cooper and was given this weight for this size tire)

    Weight difference:
    Konig is 2.9 lb lighter
    Cooper is [XXX] heavier
    Total wheel weight delta: [TBD]

    Stance
    OEM factory wheels have a particularly high offset / backspacing and a narrow width : 16x7" / +32mm (approx. 1.25 inches) offset / 5.26" backspacing.
    Konig Countersteer Offroad has a lower offset / backspacing and a slightly wider width: 16x8" / +0mm offset / 4.5" backspacing.

    Stance difference:
    Konig
    1 inch wider wheel
    1.25 inch less offset (farther outboard)
    .76 in less backspacing [NOTE: This number is suspect, check with FN. O inch offset on an 8 inch wheel should result in 4 inch backspacing, not 4.5 as stated by Dustin. Waiting for a response on this.]
     
    Last edited: Oct 17, 2016
    Crom, dziner, Biscuits and 3 others like this.
  6. Oct 11, 2015 at 7:27 AM
    #6
    Neutral

    Neutral Four doors? For more WHORES!!

    Joined:
    Jul 20, 2014
    Member:
    #134319
    Messages:
    2,024
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    Guy
    Alabama
    Vehicle:
    14 DCSB SR5 4x4
    RCD 4.5", rims & tires (17s with 33s), Pelfreybilt Hybrid Bumper, Rigid lights, Superwinch Tigershark, Wet Okole's, 4.56 gears.
    Yesss :popcorn:
     
    ChadsPride likes this.
  7. Oct 11, 2015 at 8:46 AM
    #7
    OZ-T

    OZ-T You chose ... poorly

    Joined:
    Dec 15, 2009
    Member:
    #27584
    Messages:
    44,439
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    Peter North
    British Columbia
    Vehicle:
    Mag Grey 09 Trd Sport DCLB 4x4
    OME 885x , OME shocks and Dakars , Wheelers SuperBumps front and rear , 275/70/17 Hankook ATm , OEM bed mat , Weathertech digifit floor liners , Weathertech in-channel vents , headache rack , Leer 100RCC commercial canopy , TRD bedside decals removed , Devil Horns by Andres , HomerTaco Satoshi
    Subd
     
    ChadsPride and scocar [OP] like this.
  8. Oct 11, 2015 at 9:04 AM
    #8
    scocar

    scocar [OP] Treat the cause, not the symptom

    Joined:
    Nov 11, 2009
    Member:
    #25814
    Messages:
    36,544
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    Ricardo
    In close proximity to an undisclosed location
    Vehicle:
    2015 DCLB 4x4 SR5
    Mostly pallet racks loaded with very impressive boxes, and a smashed head unit
    :wave:
     
    ChadsPride likes this.
  9. Oct 12, 2015 at 10:55 AM
    #9
    T4RFTMFW

    T4RFTMFW 10% OFF

    Joined:
    Jul 23, 2014
    Member:
    #134525
    Messages:
    65,538
    In.
     
    AR15xAR10 and ChadsPride like this.
  10. Oct 12, 2015 at 10:56 AM
    #10
    MQQSE

    MQQSE GOB

    Joined:
    May 6, 2010
    Member:
    #36646
    Messages:
    40,749
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    Chief Pal Guy (aka Rob III)
    Up there ... a bit to the left
    In :cool:
     
    ChadsPride likes this.
  11. Oct 12, 2015 at 10:56 AM
    #11
    because_minitruck

    because_minitruck TTC#036

    Joined:
    Jun 16, 2015
    Member:
    #157552
    Messages:
    39,920
    Texas
    Vehicle:
    06 Tundra Limited 4WD V8
  12. Oct 12, 2015 at 10:59 AM
    #12
    scocar

    scocar [OP] Treat the cause, not the symptom

    Joined:
    Nov 11, 2009
    Member:
    #25814
    Messages:
    36,544
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    Ricardo
    In close proximity to an undisclosed location
    Vehicle:
    2015 DCLB 4x4 SR5
    Mostly pallet racks loaded with very impressive boxes, and a smashed head unit
  13. Oct 12, 2015 at 10:59 AM
    #13
    Rattletrap66

    Rattletrap66 (ノಠ益ಠ)ノ彡┻━┻

    Joined:
    Aug 25, 2014
    Member:
    #136901
    Messages:
    22,881
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    Frank
    Tampa, FL ☜(゚ヮ゚☜)
    Vehicle:
    2014 TRD Off Road DCSB
    ╭∩╮(ಠ۝ಠ)╭∩╮
  14. Oct 12, 2015 at 11:02 AM
    #14
    MQQSE

    MQQSE GOB

    Joined:
    May 6, 2010
    Member:
    #36646
    Messages:
    40,749
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    Chief Pal Guy (aka Rob III)
    Up there ... a bit to the left
  15. Oct 12, 2015 at 11:06 AM
    #15
    Steves104x4

    Steves104x4 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 17, 2010
    Member:
    #35468
    Messages:
    9,460
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    Steve
    Buffalo NY
    Vehicle:
    2010 RC 2.7 4x4
    BUCKLE UP! It makes it harder for Aliens to pull you out of your Truck.
    What the... Devil?
     
    ChadsPride likes this.
  16. Oct 12, 2015 at 11:09 AM
    #16
    scocar

    scocar [OP] Treat the cause, not the symptom

    Joined:
    Nov 11, 2009
    Member:
    #25814
    Messages:
    36,544
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    Ricardo
    In close proximity to an undisclosed location
    Vehicle:
    2015 DCLB 4x4 SR5
    Mostly pallet racks loaded with very impressive boxes, and a smashed head unit
    :tinfoilhat:
     
    ChadsPride likes this.
  17. Oct 12, 2015 at 11:14 AM
    #17
    T4RFTMFW

    T4RFTMFW 10% OFF

    Joined:
    Jul 23, 2014
    Member:
    #134525
    Messages:
    65,538
    Let me know if you want my flush-er fit bolts for the tailgate protector if you don't go the full recessed route.

    If you want to maintain your OEM fiberglass pieces, you can re-use the bolts you have now with the shoulders, you just need to take a drill bit to the OEM piece and widen the holes to the diameter of the shoulder, IIRC - 1/2". Could've been bigger.

    Also, fiberglass likes high speed drilling. You probably already know that, though.. I didn't. :anonymous:
     
    ChadsPride likes this.
  18. Oct 12, 2015 at 11:18 AM
    #18
    scocar

    scocar [OP] Treat the cause, not the symptom

    Joined:
    Nov 11, 2009
    Member:
    #25814
    Messages:
    36,544
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    Ricardo
    In close proximity to an undisclosed location
    Vehicle:
    2015 DCLB 4x4 SR5
    Mostly pallet racks loaded with very impressive boxes, and a smashed head unit
    Yeah, I saw that guy's write-up on that, thanks. Since that is at the top of my list. I think I'll keep the cover on for usability purposes and ease of loading/unloading.
     
    Last edited: Oct 12, 2015
    ChadsPride likes this.
  19. Oct 12, 2015 at 11:22 AM
    #19
    T4RFTMFW

    T4RFTMFW 10% OFF

    Joined:
    Jul 23, 2014
    Member:
    #134525
    Messages:
    65,538
    Would.

    The aluminum piece is great, but it's soft aluminum.. I didn't want to scratch it all to fuck and worry about putting divots and dents and scrapes into it while using my bed for truck stuff, so it was a no brainer to cover it up with the OEM piece.

    Winning.*




    *Except the $12 I spent getting bolts I didn't end up using. :facepalm:
     
    Last edited: Oct 12, 2015
    ChadsPride likes this.
  20. Oct 12, 2015 at 11:22 AM
    #20
    4WD

    4WD cRaZy oLdmAn

    Joined:
    Jul 2, 2009
    Member:
    #19185
    Messages:
    23,980
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    Doug
    Lakeside, Ca / Gardnerville, Nevada
    Vehicle:
    2004 DC TRD 4x
    Grey wire MOD, deck plate, diff breather MOD, 2nd gen. OME 883# on Tundra 5100's, OMD custom 3" leafsprings, rear shock relocation, Ivan Stewart TRD rims w/285/75/16's, '02 bumper MOD, Famous Fabrications sliders , LED interior/exterior lights, bed bar, Custom tube bumper, Old school KC day lighters,Red Ring 8" HID flood, Kenwood vhf 2M.. umm some other shit I'm forgetting right now
    Wow, so THATS what they look like before we get ahold of them.. GL with the build Dick , I will follow without comment...haha...:thumbsup::thumbsup:
     
    ChadsPride, Crom, MQQSE and 1 other person like this.

Products Discussed in

To Top